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Post by coloradoflyer on Feb 15, 2013 15:19:01 GMT
it should be the same at junior level, if your good enough to move up then you should not be hampered from progressing
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Post by spudeeelad on Feb 15, 2013 15:53:56 GMT
it should be the same at junior level, if your good enough to move up then you should not be hampered from progressing The one thing I say needs to change is the fact that juniors aren't allowed to check or fight. I think that's ridiculous and just goes to show how much of a nannying state we are these days. I've seen brawls with 7 year olds in Canada. I am not saying let's allow the kids to turn hockey into a thuggery session. What I am saying is that it is pointless having a junior system where they will be completely unopposed in terms of physicality only to find that when they reach the EIHL that they cant handle themselves, either in a fight, or how to ride a check. Letting the kids be physical would prepare them better and letting them fight would instill discipline because they'd realise that unless done in the right time and place, it harms their team mates and the team. I see kids fighting in hockey as no different to sparring in boxing or any other form of self defence. |
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Post by shouldknowbetter on Feb 15, 2013 17:20:25 GMT
But surely they should be on the ice training now learning systems and plays. Wait til they bulk up and it'll be too late.
Sure the bigger they are the better, but this isn't NHL were talking about. For me one of the best players in the league ain't a giant, though thats who hes playing for! I doubt if Colin Shields is any more than 5'10" but he's got the skills and a good hockey brain and that's what sets him apart.
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Post by shouldknowbetter on Feb 15, 2013 17:26:53 GMT
My opinion kevsmith that's all. Robin or Robben doesn't matter we know who we're talking about.
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Post by nobabody on Feb 15, 2013 17:39:09 GMT
i think the gap between snl and eihl is just too big for anyone to make the transit safely, a shot in the epl first would be a good, but still big, stepping stone. so players moving away, for me, is not a bad thing, until there is a level closer to home for our junior development to progress through.
think it's going to be, if ever, quite a few years til we see the conveyor belt of talent supplying the flyers directly.
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Post by shouldknowbetter on Feb 15, 2013 17:51:09 GMT
He also answers to Beyonce. Just to bring your head back down to size so you can get through the rink door tonight Bob,lol
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Post by spudeeelad on Feb 16, 2013 0:16:41 GMT
But surely they should be on the ice training now learning systems and plays. Wait til they bulk up and it'll be too late. Sure the bigger they are the better, but this isn't NHL were talking about. For me one of the best players in the league ain't a giant, though thats who hes playing for! I doubt if Colin Shields is any more than 5'10" but he's got the skills and a good hockey brain and that's what sets him apart. I dont think so myself. It's not all about size, it's about transition between the levels. Going directly from non-physical junior to pretty physical EIHL, or even SNL, can be quite a shock. I say it time and time again, it's why the junior system is so good in Sheffield. They have junior, ENL2, ENL1, EPL and EIHL. To answer what you said though, no. Colin Sheilds is 6'0". However, the greatest ever British player, you know who, is 5'10". |
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Post by hockeysniper on Feb 16, 2013 8:23:08 GMT
Bowie is signed to kestrels but has suffered a knee injury this season and your right,his face just didn't fit. Since we're naming names on here Robben Floyd is the player I meant wouldn't disappoint. He's scored some amazing goals this season and I believe could start on Flyers 3rd line THIS Saturday and be as good and probably better than is already there. And while we're at it the two Brits I reckon would get a slot on another eihl team are mcalpine and wands,Horne and Dolan already being established eihl regulars before coming to fife and could move teams easily if they needed to You do realise robben isnt his name and that it is a reference to dutch winger arjen robben. His names Robi And wands, seriously? What you been drinking? How come his twitter is @robben070 |
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Post by nobabody on Feb 16, 2013 10:14:17 GMT
But surely they should be on the ice training now learning systems and plays. Wait til they bulk up and it'll be too late. Sure the bigger they are the better, but this isn't NHL were talking about. For me one of the best players in the league ain't a giant, though thats who hes playing for! I doubt if Colin Shields is any more than 5'10" but he's got the skills and a good hockey brain and that's what sets him apart. I dont think so myself. It's not all about size, it's about transition between the levels. Going directly from non-physical junior to pretty physical EIHL, or even SNL, can be quite a shock. I say it time and time again, it's why the junior system is so good in Sheffield. They have junior, ENL2, ENL1, EPL and EIHL. To answer what you said though, no. Colin Sheilds is 6'0". However, the greatest ever British player, you know who, is 5'10". Steven King ?  |
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Post by shouldknowbetter on Feb 16, 2013 12:15:03 GMT
Don't know why I thought he was not so tall,great player tho. That'll be Tony Hand your suggesting I think,can't argue against him being the best brit I ever saw
Spudeelad your right that would be a fantastic set up but I can't see it ever happening in Scotland.Dont think there would be enough interest for a semi-pro league alongside elite up here,you never know though if its of a good enough standard it might pull in a decent crowd to pay its own way. It works down south.
On the subject of crowds, and I know this is going off topic, would Flyers season ticket holders come to Kestrels home games if there was some kind of concession? Maybe a token £1 entry instead of the full £6. Might bring extra support that wouldn't normally be there and give the ticket holders a bit more for their money.
And on your point about checking / fighting in junior hockey,theres still plenty in u16,18 and snl. Fights are a regular occurrence in snl
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Post by spudeeelad on Feb 17, 2013 14:20:15 GMT
I dont think so myself. It's not all about size, it's about transition between the levels. Going directly from non-physical junior to pretty physical EIHL, or even SNL, can be quite a shock. I say it time and time again, it's why the junior system is so good in Sheffield. They have junior, ENL2, ENL1, EPL and EIHL. To answer what you said though, no. Colin Sheilds is 6'0". However, the greatest ever British player, you know who, is 5'10". Steven King ? Sorry but invalid example due to masses of previous experience of BNL hockey and besides the fact that he's far from being a junior LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 14:29:15 GMT
Junior isn't non physical though. In Scotland, from Under 14's up checking is allowed. Under 10's and 12's aren't allowed deliberate physical contact but thats to get them to learn how to play the game on a basic scale first.
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Post by spudeeelad on Feb 17, 2013 14:33:44 GMT
Junior isn't non physical though. In Scotland, from Under 14's up checking is allowed. Under 10's and 12's aren't allowed deliberate physical contact but thats to get them to learn how to play the game on a basic scale first. I'm not sure it's any different in England. But when I was 17 and wanted to sign up for hockey, I was told it's non-contact until ENL due to insurance reasons. But maybe I was fed a load of c*** by someone lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 15:26:15 GMT
Junior isn't non physical though. In Scotland, from Under 14's up checking is allowed. Under 10's and 12's aren't allowed deliberate physical contact but thats to get them to learn how to play the game on a basic scale first. I'm not sure it's any different in England. But when I was 17 and wanted to sign up for hockey, I was told it's non-contact until ENL due to insurance reasons. But maybe I was fed a load of c*** by someone lol. I'm sure you were mate. The Conference finals in Hull have always been physical from 15s upwards (although the 13s that play up sometimes get a bit physical aswell) |
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Post by nobabody on Feb 17, 2013 16:13:37 GMT
Steven King ? Sorry but invalid example due to masses of previous experience of BNL hockey and besides the fact that he's far from being a junior LOL sorry spud it was a tongue in cheek response to "greatest ever British player" |
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