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Post by zico on Nov 14, 2012 19:12:49 GMT
A boring Wednsday night so here is my boring question.
If it was upto you how would you improve the league setup in the uk? or are you happy with how it is?
I'm sure there is flaws in my idea of ideal but here goes.
Firstly I would lower the import quota to 7 or 8 players per team. I would keep the conference system, but would like to increase the amount of teams in each to 8. We would play teams from our own conference twice at home and twice away. We would play teams from the other conference once at home and once away. This would reduce the amount of league games we play each year which wouldn't be ideal for club finances. So to combat this I would introduce a new knockout cup type competition.
In the interests of youth development all teams would be required to have and to ice a minnimum of 3 UK trained players under the age of 20 on there roster.
My Conferences would line up something like this. SOUTHERN: Basingstoke, Cardiff, Coventry, Guildford, Milton Keynes, Nottingham, Sheffield, Slough
NORTHERN: Belfast, Braehead, Dundee, Edinburgh, Fife, Hull, Manchester, Newcastle.
DISCUSS ;D
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Post by harlan on Nov 14, 2012 19:59:40 GMT
Yeah that sounds reasonable enough but I would add one proviso
.All teams have to agree to a wage cap which would be independently monitored of any team competing in the league.
It would work with the arbitrator being appointed in the season before the wage cap came into force and they would be shown all incomings and outgoings at every club and made aware of the tricks clubs use to get payments under the radar.
Then in the summer before the cap came into force they would set their figure which would be an average of all the financial dealings of the participating clubs from the season before.
During the season the arbitrator could make spot checks on any club when they wanted and if they felt a club was trying to cheat the system then that club be deducted 5 points with a right to appeal the decision only once and that again through somebody independent from the club concerned and all costs to be met by the club wishing to appeal.
Any subsequent breach of the cap would result in a further 5 points being deducted and this to be carried over to the following season unless a club has been within the cap limits for the 3 previous seasons then the breach can be considered as a first offence.
Its irrelevant if a club changes hands, any new owner will be made aware of any transgressions by the arbitrator and the consequenses of any future breaches of the cap and how long is left on the current breach.
Each off season the arbitrator would issue a new cap limit based on the previous seasons league average and this would be done as soon as feasibly possible
It makes sense in my head. Does it make sense written down?
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Post by sparkymark75 on Nov 14, 2012 20:08:06 GMT
Or how about no limit on imports but a wage cap. That way teams can have any number of imports but a centrally managed wage cap.
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Post by ronniemac on Nov 14, 2012 21:32:29 GMT
Would you need to have the full quota of imports ?
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Post by zico on Nov 14, 2012 21:40:04 GMT
Would you need to have the full quota of imports ? No any team could start with 5 and add a 6th at christmas. ;D I did think of wage caps but thought it would be impossible to enforce.
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Post by tam on Nov 14, 2012 22:05:21 GMT
wage caps dont work player gets his wages plus expenses or his wife gets living expenses , the excuses are never ending i would cut the imports as well maybe down to five or six.
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Post by flyer007 on Nov 14, 2012 22:44:29 GMT
The British Premier League would be comprised of 16 teams with 2 Conferences and 4 Divisions
Gardiner Conference: Fife, Dundee, Edinburgh, Braehead, Newcastle, Manchester, Hull, Belfast
Erhardt Conference: Nottingham, Sheffield, Cardiff, Milton Keynes, Bracknell, Basingstoke, Guildford, Coventry.
4 Divisions
Scottish: Dundee, Edinburgh, Braehead, Dundee
North: Belfast, Hull, Newcastle, Manchester
Central: Coventry, Sheffield, Nottingham, Milton Keynes
South: Bracknell, Guildford, Basingstoke, Cardiff
You play your division teams 3x home and 3x away. Total: 9 home games
You play own conference teams 2x home and 2x away Total: 8 home games
Other Conference teams 1x home and 1x away Total: 8 home games
Total number of home games for the league is 25.
A wage cap should be enforced and teams forced to keep players wages including bonuses below the cap to ensure some fairness. As in the NHL some teams would not be able to pay the full cap i.e.the Caps in Britain and the Islanders in the NHL. It would bring the price of brits down and allow teams who want to have loads of imports to do that as long as they are below the Cap.
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Post by clanfandoug on Nov 15, 2012 16:42:39 GMT
Flyer007 I like the idea buddy of the 2 Conference and 4 Divisions you set out. Only thing I am not in favour is a wage cap as unworkable and why handicap clubs that can afford better players. Up to other clubs to get their fan base growing. I would have something in place that each team bust have a set limit of Brits in the roster and anyone that's stayed in this country for 3+ years and a EU citizen not classed as a import. So have limit of imports set at 6 that don't fit into the criteria I just said. Only my idea though but I do like the system you have said. Post it on the EIHL FB page maybe get more debate and let the EIHL see a plan maybe take up who knows in next few years as something to work to.
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Post by harlan on Nov 15, 2012 17:01:02 GMT
A wage cap is only unworkable just now because of teams own self interest and not the long term good of the game.
You take the self interest of the clubs away and give the overall running of a wage cap to an outside party with relevant penalties for transgressions and you can bet clubs will suddenly find a wage cap workable
Any player trained out of this country should always be classed as an import irrespective of how long they have been in this country. Classing anybody as a dual national after 3 years residency is going back to era of superleague and is again short sighted for the long term benefits of the sport
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Post by spudeeelad on Nov 15, 2012 17:14:23 GMT
The British Premier League would be comprised of 16 teams with 2 Conferences and 4 Divisions Gardiner Conference: Fife, Dundee, Edinburgh, Braehead, Newcastle, Manchester, Hull, Belfast Erhardt Conference: Nottingham, Sheffield, Cardiff, Milton Keynes, Bracknell, Basingstoke, Guildford, Coventry. 4 Divisions Scottish: Dundee, Edinburgh, Braehead, Dundee North: Belfast, Hull, Newcastle, Manchester Central: Coventry, Sheffield, Nottingham, Milton Keynes South: Bracknell, Guildford, Basingstoke, Cardiff You play your division teams 3x home and 3x away. Total: 9 home games You play own conference teams 2x home and 2x away Total: 8 home games Other Conference teams 1x home and 1x away Total: 8 home games Total number of home games for the league is 25. A wage cap should be enforced and teams forced to keep players wages including bonuses below the cap to ensure some fairness. As in the NHL some teams would not be able to pay the full cap i.e.the Caps in Britain and the Islanders in the NHL. It would bring the price of brits down and allow teams who want to have loads of imports to do that as long as they are below the Cap. Nice idea but unfortunately could never work with the conference setup the way you have it with the games you have. The Northern conference would not survive like that.
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Post by tam on Nov 15, 2012 17:49:00 GMT
someone above mentioned being reclassed as a brit after 3 years, it used to be eight or ten years cant remember, but i got me wondering does todd not come in to this catagory? hes been here 14 years lives and works here.
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Post by flyers4eva on Nov 15, 2012 17:55:36 GMT
someone above mentioned being reclassed as a brit after 3 years, it used to be eight or ten years cant remember, but i got me wondering does todd not come in to this catagory? hes been here 14 years lives and works here. It's all to do with where they learnt to train is it not? Nothing to do with how long they've been in the country.
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Post by swarfiga on Nov 15, 2012 17:58:26 GMT
Think you're right because the likes of Hutchins and neilson who represent team GB yet they're still classed as imports in the league, seems a bit weird but yeah I think it's where you were trained as a junior.
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Post by harlan on Nov 15, 2012 19:02:13 GMT
It is basically where you learned your hockey that determines whether or not you are classed as an import in this league, there are other minor things taken into consideration, and has nothing to do with how long you have been a resident here.
I have no problem with imports being reclassed and being eligible for the national side through residency, most imports wont stay in the UK long enough for that to happen anyway, but we start going down the dual national route again and you will have the British side full of North Americans a la when we qualified for Pool A of the World Championships and we are still recovering in international hockey because of that idiotic move
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Post by redders on Nov 15, 2012 21:50:04 GMT
Going back to the original post, can't see Nottingham and Belfast agreeing to only two fixtures between them per season.
Whatever the official reasons for the devising of two conferences this season, a pleasant consequence for the Belfast, Panthers and Steelers axis of power is the increased number of marketable games between them.
The financial interests of the larger Arena-based organisations will always dictate the terms of any future re-jigging of league structures.
Personally, I'd like to see more teams join the Elite League fold and expand the Conferences out a little. But unless it's a new franchise with money to burn, I can't see the likes of Manchester, Guildford or Basingstoke stepping up and bankrolling 11-12 imports.
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