finchy
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Post by finchy on Oct 15, 2015 11:06:24 GMT
The forum is a place for fans to say what they want (within sensible guidelines) about how the team are playing and if things are going badly they have the right to discuss this. Should we really start to think "wait should I say/write this" as a player/coach or their family might read it. That suggests that we shouldn't criticise bad play or bad decisions and yet you go on to do the very same thing about the refs in our game. Agreed- unless it's personal, hateful or scurrilous, then people should say what they see. It never fails to amaze me that 'the forum' is still singled out as THE place of constant mindless negativity by some people-even by some forum users! The quality of posting and debate is IMO now at a very decent level and although there are arguments etc., people are normally pretty thoughtful and constructive. If I'm a player I wouldnt read it anyway, but what our guys really need to avoid reading is facebook and twitter- that's where the real nasty stuff is!! I can't help agreeing with those who feel we've got it wrong this season on the ice though and it's no disrespect to the players. The reasons have been well and truly put out there, but not only do I doubt we will be a winning team, just as importantly we arent a team that the fans are really excited about coming to watch. That is something you should always aim to be when realistically you're not going to be challenging at the top. I'm amazed that Todd and Danny thought that every one of our 13 imports had to have more or less the same attributes. We need a team that can get the barn rocking and I'm stunned that despite Todd constantly saying the crowd can be our biggest attribute that he didnt see the need for a few players who could get us off our seats mixed in with the responsible ones! Danny actually said in an interview after last season that we'd be a more physical/gritty team this season so I'm just a bit confused by it all.
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Post by waterboy on Oct 15, 2015 11:13:12 GMT
The team has lost 5 out of the last 6 with the one win coming via shootout. We are being bullied in games (not every one but enough for it to be a concern to some if not most fans) That lands at the coaches feet. They have been asked about not replacing Matt enough times and have stated that they don't see a need for an enforcer type player and out team toughness will be enough, they even said after the Cardiff game at the weekend that they didn't think we were pushed around and they feel that the team stood up for each other. Yet everyone watching managed to see quite clearly our guys wilt under the physical play of Cardiff. With each passing game not having that guy or guys in the line up is hurting us more and more, which is making the coaching teams choices look worse. The forum is a place for fans to say what they want (within sensible guidelines) about how the team are playing and if things are going badly they have the right to discuss this. Should we really start to think "wait should I say/write this" as a player/coach or their family might read it. That suggests that we shouldn't criticise bad play or bad decisions and yet you go on to do the very same thing about the refs in our game. Toby Craig had a decent game on Saturday I have been surprised by some of the comments towards him this week on here and in social media. I would love for someone to point out what he was so wrong with during the game, did he miss a few calls yeah but every ref does. Just like every player makes mistakes every game, but I didn't see one huge mistake/missed call from Toby that cost us the game. You need to remember the game looks very different at ice level than it does from the stands. Some clubs wanted every game to have a 4 man system I have heard Flyers and other clubs didn't want this due to cost implications. As they say you get what you pay for. On your other point about team toughness, aye that would do the job apart from we have zero toughness in the team! So they're recruiting this year has possibly been the worst yet for what they said they had signed to be so clearly wrong. Think you have my point mixed up regarding team toughness or I'm not reading yours right, I think this apparent team toughness was and is a joke. I said it before the season started none of our new guys have anything on the CV's the shows team toughness or willingness to fight. Paquet for example had 3 career fights before coming here. Cardiff have team toughness in spades, their possibly best fighter (Salters) doesn't have to get involved as they have so many others capable of doing this role. For me we have a huge element missing from our line up and as I have said before one that will continue to cause problems or us all season long.
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Post by swarfiga on Oct 15, 2015 11:15:19 GMT
The forum is a place for fans to say what they want (within sensible guidelines) about how the team are playing and if things are going badly they have the right to discuss this. Should we really start to think "wait should I say/write this" as a player/coach or their family might read it. That suggests that we shouldn't criticise bad play or bad decisions and yet you go on to do the very same thing about the refs in our game. Agreed- unless it's personal, hateful or scurrilous, then people should say what they see. It never fails to amaze me that 'the forum' is still singled out as THE place of constant mindless negativity by some people-even by some forum users! The quality of posting and debate is IMO now at a very decent level and although there are arguments etc., people are normally pretty thoughtful and constructive. If I'm a player I wouldnt read it anyway, but what our guys really need to avoid reading is facebook and twitter- that's where the real nasty stuff is!! I can't help agreeing with those who feel we've got it wrong this season on the ice though and it's no disrespect to the players. The reasons have been well and truly put out there, but not only do I doubt we will be a winning team, just as importantly we arent a team that the fans are really excited about coming to watch. That is something you should always aim to be when realistically you're not going to be challenging at the top. I'm amazed that Todd and Danny thought that every one of our 13 imports had to have more or less the same attributes. We need a team that can get the barn rocking and I'm stunned that despite Todd constantly saying the crowd can be our biggest attribute that he didnt see the need for a few players who could get us off our seats mixed in with the responsible ones! Danny actually said in an interview after last season that we'd be a more physical/gritty team this season so I'm just a bit confused by it all. Am I right in thinking you will agree that we don't seem to have any real characters that get us excited? The likes of pitton, Haines, Hogg, Fulton, Nickerson or even Siddall that seemed to have big personalities on the ice and we knew they would do something that would be exciting, seems to be none of that this year, no spark if that makes sense.
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Post by RedBird on Oct 15, 2015 11:29:11 GMT
Agreed- unless it's personal, hateful or scurrilous, then people should say what they see. It never fails to amaze me that 'the forum' is still singled out as THE place of constant mindless negativity by some people-even by some forum users! The quality of posting and debate is IMO now at a very decent level and although there are arguments etc., people are normally pretty thoughtful and constructive. If I'm a player I wouldnt read it anyway, but what our guys really need to avoid reading is facebook and twitter- that's where the real nasty stuff is!! I can't help agreeing with those who feel we've got it wrong this season on the ice though and it's no disrespect to the players. The reasons have been well and truly put out there, but not only do I doubt we will be a winning team, just as importantly we arent a team that the fans are really excited about coming to watch. That is something you should always aim to be when realistically you're not going to be challenging at the top. I'm amazed that Todd and Danny thought that every one of our 13 imports had to have more or less the same attributes. We need a team that can get the barn rocking and I'm stunned that despite Todd constantly saying the crowd can be our biggest attribute that he didnt see the need for a few players who could get us off our seats mixed in with the responsible ones! Danny actually said in an interview after last season that we'd be a more physical/gritty team this season so I'm just a bit confused by it all. Am I right in thinking you will agree that we don't seem to have any real characters that get us excited? The likes of pitton, Haines, Hogg, Fulton, Nickerson or even Siddall that seemed to have big personalities on the ice and we knew they would do something that would be exciting, seems to be none of that this year, no spark if that makes sense. I'd certainly agree with that. I love watching hockey but stopped going after xmas last year due to being a bit bored and disinterested in how we were playing. I'm already getting that same feeling this early on. For me, the Fife crowd are not like those in the West in that they make noise throughout the game no matter how its going. We need something to happen on the ice from the big personalities like you have mentioned and this years team just doesn't have that.
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finchy
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Post by finchy on Oct 15, 2015 11:33:24 GMT
Yes Swarfiga- that's exactly what I think.
Again it's no disrespect to the boys we have, but when you can have 13 imports you need 3 or 4 wildcard players who can give you something different IMO. At the moment we've got guys trying to do things they dont normally have to when trying to up the ante.
Despite our terrible start 2 years ago, we had the right blend IMO and that showed in that final run in. We had a big guy, 2 or 3 agitators, a couple of moody guys who could give us a flash of genius and some steady guys. edit: and I think a big mistake we made was losing 2 of our agitators last season (Roehl and DaCosta) as the team became a bit bland/predictable IMO and it's carried on this year by losing our big guy!
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Post by coloradoflyer on Oct 15, 2015 11:41:22 GMT
The team has lost 5 out of the last 6 with the one win coming via shootout. We are being bullied in games (not every one but enough for it to be a concern to some if not most fans) That lands at the coaches feet. They have been asked about not replacing Matt enough times and have stated that they don't see a need for an enforcer type player and out team toughness will be enough, they even said after the Cardiff game at the weekend that they didn't think we were pushed around and they feel that the team stood up for each other. Yet everyone watching managed to see quite clearly our guys wilt under the physical play of Cardiff. With each passing game not having that guy or guys in the line up is hurting us more and more, which is making the coaching teams choices look worse. The forum is a place for fans to say what they want (within sensible guidelines) about how the team are playing and if things are going badly they have the right to discuss this. Should we really start to think "wait should I say/write this" as a player/coach or their family might read it. That suggests that we shouldn't criticise bad play or bad decisions and yet you go on to do the very same thing about the refs in our game. Toby Craig had a decent game on Saturday I have been surprised by some of the comments towards him this week on here and in social media. I would love for someone to point out what he was so wrong with during the game, did he miss a few calls yeah but every ref does. Just like every player makes mistakes every game, but I didn't see one huge mistake/missed call from Toby that cost us the game. You need to remember the game looks very different at ice level than it does from the stands. Some clubs wanted every game to have a 4 man system I have heard Flyers and other clubs didn't want this due to cost implications. As they say you get what you pay for. I heard 20 odd grand for a goal cam replay system and again Fife were one off the teams that weren't interested because we're tight! I didn't think the Ref was that bad either. The majority of refs are poor but most of the time they're equally as poor for both teams, look at some of the stuff Fulton used to get away with. On your other point about team toughness, aye that would do the job apart from we have zero toughness in the team! So they're recruiting this year has possibly been the worst yet for what they said they had signed to be so clearly wrong. i wathced the fans forum from the playoff weekend and neil black said he wanted every team to have the goal line stuff in place and if teams could not afford it the league woudl pay for it and the clubs would then have to pay it back on a monthly basis type thing
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nm1
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Post by nm1 on Oct 15, 2015 13:05:49 GMT
If anyone is bothered about the refs start a different thread. This one is about should todd and danny go, nowt to do with referees, no scrabbling for excuses please.
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Post by kivo1889 on Oct 17, 2015 0:28:51 GMT
Gerad Adams is available I believe, he did a great job of rescuing last season for us: Although appointing him would require the Flyers management to be as ruthless and unsentimental as Smith at the Steelers...
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Post by swarfiga on Oct 17, 2015 6:40:53 GMT
Gerad Adams is available I believe, he did a great job of rescuing last season for us: Although appointing him would require the Flyers management to be as ruthless and unsentimental as Smith at the Steelers... Really? Don't think hanging on watching Dutes fail for 4 and a half year and now getting rid of him could be considered ruthless
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Post by sterlingarcher on Oct 17, 2015 7:48:55 GMT
Would another zero point weekend against our 2 closest rivals make the bosses think its time for a change?
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Post by zamboni on Oct 17, 2015 8:01:28 GMT
Let's get behind the team and coaches and wish all concerned great weekend Last weekends fixtures were tough for any team Move on with our season, glass half full etc
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icysmith
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Post by icysmith on Oct 17, 2015 20:48:58 GMT
I expect this thread will have plenty of new reading for me tomorrow at my work.
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pittsburghpingu17
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Post by pittsburghpingu17 on Oct 17, 2015 21:00:59 GMT
No words. Absolutely no words. That was ridiculous. Outdated coaching, dump and chase nonsense. Brown's like a fish out of water, are you sure he's a legit pro tendy? Rink was about as dead as a dodo and with good reason. Absolutely nowt to get excited about. The list of 'keepable' imports is getting shorter. But Todd has to go. Surely. That game was, without exagerrating, 10x worse than the 8-1 drubbing against Nottingham last year. Done. Just totally done for the season. Better get used to 10th because we'll be lucky to be even in a fight for 8th at this rate. Feel a boycott of sorts coming to FIA soon. What's the point. Not buying this "get behind the team" effort. Nah, give us something to get behind first and maybe we'll consider it. Feel sorry for everyone else who had to endure that, brutal!
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Post by brunchie19 on Oct 17, 2015 21:03:22 GMT
No words. Absolutely no words. That was ridiculous. Outdated coaching, dump and chase nonsense. Brown's like a fish out of water, are you sure he's a legit pro tendy? Rink was about as dead as a dodo and with good reason. Absolutely nowt to get excited about. The list of 'keepable' imports is getting shorter. But Todd has to go. Surely. That game was, without exagerrating, 10x worse than the 8-1 drubbing against Nottingham last year. Done. Just totally done for the season. Better get used to 10th because we'll be lucky to be even in a fight for 8th at this rate. Feel a boycott of sorts coming to FIA soon. What's the point. Not buying this "get behind the team" effort. Nah, give us something to get behind first and maybe we'll consider it. Feel sorry for everyone else who had to endure that, brutal! Exactly! I decided after last week I wouldn't be back until the coaching situation has changed and so far I'm better off for it, money in the bank and stress levels much lower than after a visit to the FIA lately.
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watcher
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Post by watcher on Oct 17, 2015 21:04:51 GMT
That's it. Game over. Time for Todd and Danny to do the honourable thing and admit they have taken Flyers as far as they can. They cannot match the tactics of any of the other Elite League teams even with one of the hardest working squads we have had. Players are clearly not working for the coach and body language suggests they are unhappy with the systems (?) they are being told to play. Hand over the reigns to Kyle Haines in the short term while they bring in someone who knows how to play the game at this level and get the best out of the clearly capable players we have. Much as it pains me I will not be contributing to the coaches wages in the next few weeks.
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