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Post by waterboy on Oct 13, 2015 9:13:14 GMT
So lets assume this is what Danny said, its safe to say then that the players not performing will have been spoken to our possibly even have their ice time reduced this coming weekend. Why not say who these players are. Probably because this is utter boll**ks that they think fans will just accept. Again that's based on the assumption that this was even said and they didn't just find an old interview from any of the previous seasons and copy and paste. Just utterly fed up with the constant b/s fed to us from this club, for the first time in years I have already missed several home games and to be honest I am not sure I can be bothered spending more cash on them this weekend. I don't for one second put any blame at the players door for this. The gruesome twosome can carry the can for once it's their systems that are the root cause of our problems not the players. Several squads over 5 seasons yet the same problems apparently exist, and we still get the same b/s from the coaches. The boys are on the ice twice a day they train off ice they all work their nuts off during games and they still get the blame!! Cant imagine the players will be happy hearing some of these comments, after every game its the same. Guys not doing what they are told, not sticking to systems (that don't work). It's just so frustrating supporting this team. My post from when Todd was announced as returning head coach(this was before we had signed a single player):
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Post by coloradoflyer on Oct 13, 2015 9:28:43 GMT
they should have started developing the local lads the minute they said they were moving to the elite league
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Post by waterboy on Oct 13, 2015 9:58:38 GMT
they should have started developing the local lads the minute they said they were moving to the elite league I have been saying exactly the same thing. It's one off if not the biggest failing of the current coaching teams IMO.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Oct 13, 2015 10:26:41 GMT
they should have started developing the local lads the minute they said they were moving to the elite league I have been saying exactly the same thing. It's one off if not the biggest failing of the current coaching teams IMO. i mean how many guys could we possibly have had by now that would be up to elite standards
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Post by hampshire on Oct 13, 2015 10:28:18 GMT
I haven't put up as many posts as many of you guys, but I have been looking back at the ones I have put over the last few seasons, for what they're worth, and it's like listening to a broken record time after time. I think most of the players that arrive here are pretty good but seem to get disillusioned very quickly. Why do so many retire from the game after playing here. I believe the players get into the what's the point mouldy pretty quick and end up turning up on the night when they feel like and to listen to Todd and Danny's comments every week is a pure sign that their sell by date is long gone. It's a bad reflection on the players that come here. Again I don't think Muir and Co will do anything about it whilst people like me keep turning up and hoping for the best
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Post by langtouner on Oct 13, 2015 10:30:27 GMT
What is the point in developing local lads if the owners won't sign them to full time contracts and pay them accordingly? KIHC has and continues to develop local lads and they go elsewhere, most recent examples of course being Plews and Marr. Fife could probably have one maybe even two decent lines of local lads who are currently playing elsewhere in the Elite League. Sure coaching might be part of the problem, but the bulk of it lies with the owners.
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Post by pink on Oct 13, 2015 10:33:52 GMT
coloradoflyer I have said that for the last 2 seasons but there are people on this form who have blinkers I have said have a line on 2 way contracts training but not playing and we will have Brits ready to step up
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Post by thebear on Oct 13, 2015 11:32:52 GMT
I think everyone agrees that our Brits are not up to EHIL standards and the loss of Plews & Marr was a bummer. I have to agree it is mainly the owners & directors to blame for the hole we are stuck in, but the style of hockey the guys are asked to play is outdated and not good enough for this league! Todd has obviously said to the team to stop what they were doing in the 1st week and adopt his prefered style of hockey? Chalk & Cheese between the team now and to what they looked like at the start of the season
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Post by niall on Oct 13, 2015 14:12:43 GMT
Playing a hard forechecking game like we saw against Coventry takes bravery and confidence. I think our guys are looking at their opponents and their teammates and realising they are going to be held accountable if they go in hard or dirty. The likes of Dingle, Dorr and Caig are small guys and nobody is going to protect them if a big opponent takes exception to something they do. Dutiaume and Stewart need to take responsibility for not bringing in a guy to protect our better players. I honestly believe the coaching staff would like us to play like we did against Coventry every game but we perhaps just don't have the right mix of players to do that. We need 1 or 2 changes to the playing squad which is more likely to happen if Dutiaume goes. You could call it loyalty or stubbornness but Dutiaume generally keeps faith with his squad and he has asserted that he doesn't need or want an enforcer. I really hope changes come but I don't know how likely it is to happen.
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Post by langtouner on Oct 13, 2015 16:11:38 GMT
Playing a hard forechecking game like we saw against Coventry takes bravery and confidence. I think our guys are looking at their opponents and their teammates and realising they are going to be held accountable if they go in hard or dirty. The likes of Dingle, Dorr and Caig are small guys and nobody is going to protect them if a big opponent takes exception to something they do. Dutiaume and Stewart need to take responsibility for not bringing in a guy to protect our better players. I honestly believe the coaching staff would like us to play like we did against Coventry every game but we perhaps just don't have the right mix of players to do that. We need 1 or 2 changes to the playing squad which is more likely to happen if Dutiaume goes. You could call it loyalty or stubbornness but Dutiaume generally keeps faith with his squad and he has asserted that he doesn't need or want an enforcer. I really hope changes come but I don't know how likely it is to happen. I completely agree with everything you have said. I am sure that the new guys had no idea when they signed, how physical this league is and also how poor many of the referees are. Todd and Danny know this and as a result their first signings should have been two, not one, tough guys, ideally guys who can play hockey but tbh at this moment I don't care if they can play hockey or not I just want to see the other guys protected and allow to play. (I have to say seeing Hotham, Hendrix and Haddad been given sore faces would have made Saturday far more bearable, and if these three had been sorted out Cardiff would not have played the way they did, and hey we might even have won) I simply cannot believe the naivety of Todd and Danny in not signing a couple of tough guys especially knowing how poor the refs are and knowing how physical the league is. A major major blunder which is completely beyond certainly my comprehension. This is not hindsight, I have said this from when the team was announced. I also want to add that I am in no way criticising any of the players who are good hard working and skilled hockey players who unfortunately have been hung out to dry by our poor signing policy.
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Post by tackleberry on Oct 13, 2015 20:53:25 GMT
Playing a hard forechecking game like we saw against Coventry takes bravery and confidence. I think our guys are looking at their opponents and their teammates and realising they are going to be held accountable if they go in hard or dirty. The likes of Dingle, Dorr and Caig are small guys and nobody is going to protect them if a big opponent takes exception to something they do. Dutiaume and Stewart need to take responsibility for not bringing in a guy to protect our better players. I honestly believe the coaching staff would like us to play like we did against Coventry every game but we perhaps just don't have the right mix of players to do that. We need 1 or 2 changes to the playing squad which is more likely to happen if Dutiaume goes. You could call it loyalty or stubbornness but Dutiaume generally keeps faith with his squad and he has asserted that he doesn't need or want an enforcer. I really hope changes come but I don't know how likely it is to happen. I completely agree with everything you have said. I am sure that the new guys had no idea when they signed, how physical this league is and also how poor many of the referees are. Todd and Danny know this and as a result their first signings should have been two, not one, tough guys, ideally guys who can play hockey but tbh at this moment I don't care if they can play hockey or not I just want to see the other guys protected and allow to play. (I have to say seeing Hotham, Hendrix and Haddad been given sore faces would have made Saturday far more bearable, and if these three had been sorted out Cardiff would not have played the way they did, and hey we might even have won) I simply cannot believe the naivety of Todd and Danny in not signing a couple of tough guys especially knowing how poor the refs are and knowing how physical the league is. A major major blunder which is completely beyond certainly my comprehension. This is not hindsight, I have said this from when the team was announced. I also want to add that I am in no way criticising any of the players who are good hard working and skilled hockey players who unfortunately have been hung out to dry by our poor signing policy. Great post langtouner
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Post by gtp29 on Oct 15, 2015 8:43:23 GMT
Why do we think we need new coaches.
Every other team in the league gone with 2 or 3 tough guys and we have none, yet the Flyers coaches think we don't need them.
Our current team would have been good enough 2 or 3 years ago but as has been said "have been hung out to dry" by the coaches, our recruitment is not evolving or improving like other teams.
The standard of officiating has not changed one iota, we have some of the most incompetent officials around, but we do nothing about it, they won't be coming to our team Christmas Party or any other social events, but they do with other teams and "surprise surprise" they have a better working relationship with these teams, another lesson not learned yet.
It cannot be good for the morale of any players who read this forum, or their friends and families back home and must have a bearing on players desire to come here in the first place, us as fans and more specifically the Flyers organisation need to be more media savvy and work with players, supporters, sponsors and staff to create an environment where there is not constant sniping at everything about the club. It may not, or may be, the best club around, but it is "Our Club" and as such we should be more careful in how the general public perceives the club and ourselves, the club has a lot to learn, but so do we as fans, the criminal idiot that keyed Mr Craig's car should be reported to the appropriate authorities and banned from the arena, we do not need that sort of input or news, what happens if officials get twitchy at coming here, without them there is no game, but on their part they need to conduct themselves beyond reproach so that you do not have a rink full of very unhappy people like last week, the Cardiff fans and players were not that happy with them either.
This year it has been Mr Craig, in previous years it has been Wilson or Cowan, the only common denominator is that we do not seem to get the same level of officiating as other teams and I do not think I am imagining this. All officials had intensive training over the summer, appears to have been wasted money so far. Why have we not had a visit from a referee supervisor so far this year as we have had the same officials for most of our home games and that is just not healthy.
We do neec change or we might not survive as we need to have a certain level of support to make it viable and provide a dood atmosphere "in the barn", this year we have had some very flat nights and even with the DJ repeatedly asking us to "make some noise", it just hasn't happened, and until the product on the ice gets better I don't see it changing. The players need to believe in themselves as a team and we as fans need to help them with that, most of us agree we have a squad of good players but not the right mix, that is not the players fault, that can only be the coaches and just as Todd had to do, Danny at the very least, needs to hang up his skates now and give us another import slot so that we can get a large defender who can play a bit and that he can protect our better players.
We can rant on here forever but none of us cut much sway "upstairs in the boardroom" as individuals, so we need to find a way to communicate, en masse, our genuine frustration in a way that will not be deflected back to the players but communicates the fact that this season's offering as a package has not worked out and unless changes in personnel are made is not going to improve and will not be good for any of us.
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Post by waterboy on Oct 15, 2015 10:05:57 GMT
The team has lost 5 out of the last 6 with the one win coming via shootout. We are being bullied in games (not every one but enough for it to be a concern to some if not most fans) That lands at the coaches feet. They have been asked about not replacing Matt enough times and have stated that they don't see a need for an enforcer type player and out team toughness will be enough, they even said after the Cardiff game at the weekend that they didn't think we were pushed around and they feel that the team stood up for each other. Yet everyone watching managed to see quite clearly our guys wilt under the physical play of Cardiff.
With each passing game not having that guy or guys in the line up is hurting us more and more, which is making the coaching teams choices look worse.
The forum is a place for fans to say what they want (within sensible guidelines) about how the team are playing and if things are going badly they have the right to discuss this. Should we really start to think "wait should I say/write this" as a player/coach or their family might read it. That suggests that we shouldn't criticise bad play or bad decisions and yet you go on to do the very same thing about the refs in our game.
Toby Craig had a decent game on Saturday I have been surprised by some of the comments towards him this week on here and in social media. I would love for someone to point out what he was so wrong with during the game, did he miss a few calls yeah but every ref does. Just like every player makes mistakes every game, but I didn't see one huge mistake/missed call from Toby that cost us the game. You need to remember the game looks very different at ice level than it does from the stands. Some clubs wanted every game to have a 4 man system I have heard Flyers and other clubs didn't want this due to cost implications. As they say you get what you pay for.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Oct 15, 2015 10:14:01 GMT
- ref with helemt cam
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Post by swarfiga on Oct 15, 2015 10:32:52 GMT
The team has lost 5 out of the last 6 with the one win coming via shootout. We are being bullied in games (not every one but enough for it to be a concern to some if not most fans) That lands at the coaches feet. They have been asked about not replacing Matt enough times and have stated that they don't see a need for an enforcer type player and out team toughness will be enough, they even said after the Cardiff game at the weekend that they didn't think we were pushed around and they feel that the team stood up for each other. Yet everyone watching managed to see quite clearly our guys wilt under the physical play of Cardiff. With each passing game not having that guy or guys in the line up is hurting us more and more, which is making the coaching teams choices look worse. The forum is a place for fans to say what they want (within sensible guidelines) about how the team are playing and if things are going badly they have the right to discuss this. Should we really start to think "wait should I say/write this" as a player/coach or their family might read it. That suggests that we shouldn't criticise bad play or bad decisions and yet you go on to do the very same thing about the refs in our game. Toby Craig had a decent game on Saturday I have been surprised by some of the comments towards him this week on here and in social media. I would love for someone to point out what he was so wrong with during the game, did he miss a few calls yeah but every ref does. Just like every player makes mistakes every game, but I didn't see one huge mistake/missed call from Toby that cost us the game. You need to remember the game looks very different at ice level than it does from the stands. Some clubs wanted every game to have a 4 man system I have heard Flyers and other clubs didn't want this due to cost implications. As they say you get what you pay for. I heard 20 odd grand for a goal cam replay system and again Fife were one off the teams that weren't interested because we're tight! I didn't think the Ref was that bad either. The majority of refs are poor but most of the time they're equally as poor for both teams, look at some of the stuff Fulton used to get away with. On your other point about team toughness, aye that would do the job apart from we have zero toughness in the team! So they're recruiting this year has possibly been the worst yet for what they said they had signed to be so clearly wrong.
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