flyersforlife01
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EIHL Team: Fife Flyers
NHL Team: Pittsburgh Penguins
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Post by flyersforlife01 on Feb 18, 2017 23:54:02 GMT
I know this has been discussed so many times but there has to be change in the coaching at Flyers. I've been going to the hockey for over 35 years and this is the most boring hockey I've ever seen. Dump and chase hockey just doesn't work on our size of ice pad, I can understand if we had physical type players that are willing to go into the dirty areas but the team that Todd has assembled just isn't doing it. On our size ice pad we should be passing and moving as we have the speed to out manoeuvre teams, this dump and chase is just playing into the opposition plan.
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Post by daviejojo on Feb 19, 2017 0:17:42 GMT
Change is the only way forward. This isn't like its the first time we've had this convo, it's 5 years in a row, the first year, obviously excluded for multiple reasons, somethings clearly taking priority over Ice Hockey.
The style of play is dreadful, and for that, I don't blame the guys. The game at Sheffield, and Manchester, we persist in simply firing the puck, sometimes from our own half, and conceding Icing away, its just bizarre. Same with the Power play, are we really saying, that in 6 years, we've managed to sign 80 or so players who can't understand a PP, and how it's meant to work...there is only sadly 1 common factor. Todd has been a great servant for the club, but we need a new direction.
There are rumblings of such a change, but, I'd be willing to bet we'll be having this very same conversation next season. My real fear, is that the reluctance for change shown this year, might point to us dropping out the league, hence, they aren't giving a curdy this year.
We could, and should be a fortress, the potential is there, the core is there, but we need to make some very simple changes to how the club is structured.
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Post by swarfiga on Feb 19, 2017 9:05:19 GMT
Change is the only way forward. This isn't like its the first time we've had this convo, it's 5 years in a row, the first year, obviously excluded for multiple reasons, somethings clearly taking priority over Ice Hockey. The style of play is dreadful, and for that, I don't blame the guys. The game at Sheffield, and Manchester, we persist in simply firing the puck, sometimes from our own half, and conceding Icing away, its just bizarre. Same with the Power play, are we really saying, that in 6 years, we've managed to sign 80 or so players who can't understand a PP, and how it's meant to work...there is only sadly 1 common factor. Todd has been a great servant for the club, but we need a new direction. There are rumblings of such a change, but, I'd be willing to bet we'll be having this very same conversation next season. My real fear, is that the reluctance for change shown this year, might point to us dropping out the league, hence, they aren't giving a curdy this year. We could, and should be a fortress, the potential is there, the core is there, but we need to make some very simple changes to how the club is structured. And also you know for a fact if Todd does move on it'll be Hutchins coming in, will that even make much difference? Granted he's won a conference with a couple good finds that year but he's not the answer, especially if old deluded Muir won't let him sign who he wants anyway
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Post by daviejojo on Feb 19, 2017 9:06:30 GMT
I think Muir is the problem if I'm honest. You could even argue Todd having another year if he was allowed to sign who he wanted
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Post by johndabomb on Feb 19, 2017 10:02:35 GMT
One consideration could be MK and Guildford joining the Elite League next season. Our spot in the play offs has previously been reasonably safe due to only two teams missing out. I'm sure the newcomers will need some time to find their feet but both will have better Brits than us in their first season so will quickly become competetive.
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Post by waterboy on Feb 19, 2017 11:04:38 GMT
One consideration could be MK and Guildford joining the Elite League next season. Our spot in the play offs has previously been reasonably safe due to only two teams missing out. I'm sure the newcomers will need some time to find their feet but both will have better Brits than us in their first season so will quickly become competetive. I wouldn't bet too much on them needing to find their feet. Both clubs recruit well and have funds to bring in the right imports. Throw in better Brits than us like you said and they could easily be ahead of us in their first season. Brits are an issue for us and will only get worse next season unless we finally get full time Brits signed.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Feb 19, 2017 12:20:10 GMT
And with more teams and travel wouldn't surprise me if prices go up too
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Post by waterboy on Feb 19, 2017 12:37:41 GMT
And with more teams and travel wouldn't surprise me if prices go up too If we were watching a good standard of entertaining hockey I wouldn't have an issue with that. I would if it was going to be like the past 2 seasons.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Feb 19, 2017 12:39:44 GMT
I agree waterboy, i just think the extra travel to the london area tam will be like punt the price up
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Post by stewartgibson on Feb 19, 2017 14:04:03 GMT
I want to see todd with full reigns of the budget. Quite clearly he doesnt like the brits or he'd play them. Look at the casey haines season, we played amazing hockey on home ice and we didnt have the enforcer. More depth on that team and we wouldve won more away games. Dutes is not the problem,Tom Muir is.
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Post by stirlingflyer on Feb 19, 2017 14:54:37 GMT
Bottom line for me is that without a change of ownership, things will just trundle along from year to year exactly as they are.
The tone for the way the organisation is run is set from the top. I think I've said this before, but for me there's a culture of accepting mediocrity that permeates the entire club. It's been like that for many years and I don't think that it will change without a change at the top.
All you have to do is look at the typical game night experience to see how mediocrity is baked into everything we do: - it even starts before the game night with mediocre PR; little to no information on injuries, usually you'll find out someone is injured when they're not in the pregame warm-ups; scattergun approach to Flyers TV; ticket promotions like the weekend deal a couple of weeks ago that weren't available across all sales channels - you get to the rink and are faced with the lunar surface that is the car park, often unlit and dangerous; if making a good first impression is central to running a business, this tells you all you need to know about the Flyers - then when you're in the rink you contend with rats in the Curlers' Bar, vending machines that 'aren't their responsibility', broken seats, a scoreboard missing multiple bulbs and often illegible, and no toilet paper in the ladies (at least according to Mrs SF!) - that takes you to the on-ice product...passive, ugly, turgid hockey for most of the season with the odd bit of excitement in between to paper over the cracks; imports over burdened; Brits not used; no youngsters coming through the system; I've never been a big advocate of low-import hockey but I think we're in danger of losing a big part of our identity the more the local boys are pushed into the margins of the team - the atmosphere in the rink during the game is now one of the worst in the league as the fans react to the on-ice product; let's also just say diplomatically that the DJ isn't to everyone's taste but at least we could get correct goal announcements (how often isn't it mentioned when the away team scores on the PP or SH) and shots on goal at the end of periods - as for the other entertainment on offer during the game, well the 20-odd minute period breaks feel interminable at times and the chuck-a-puck is a farce - almost impossible to win and I'm sure if someone did a Matchbox truck would be rolled out the following weekend!
Sorry if this is turning out to be a bit of a long-winded rant but does the above make you feel appreciated and valued as a fan? Finchy hit the nail on the head the other night in the Braehead thread when he referred to the loyalty of the Flyers fans. The flipside of that loyalty is that we're ultimately a cash cow to be milked.
So much out there to be improved upon yet so little progress. We have the foundations there to be a huge club in the Elite League. It's a real shame that the ownership isn't bold enough to recognise that and take action.
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ronniemac
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NHL Team: Chicago Blackhawks
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Post by ronniemac on Feb 19, 2017 16:50:55 GMT
Nail on head
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Post by andi renson on Feb 19, 2017 17:03:24 GMT
Agreed
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Post by swarfiga on Feb 19, 2017 17:16:39 GMT
Stirling flyer, the man, the myth, the legend
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Post by sparkymark75 on Feb 19, 2017 17:44:02 GMT
Bottom line for me is that without a change of ownership, things will just trundle along from year to year exactly as they are. The tone for the way the organisation is run is set from the top. I think I've said this before, but for me there's a culture of accepting mediocrity that permeates the entire club. It's been like that for many years and I don't think that it will change without a change at the top. All you have to do is look at the typical game night experience to see how mediocrity is baked into everything we do: - it even starts before the game night with mediocre PR; little to no information on injuries, usually you'll find out someone is injured when they're not in the pregame warm-ups; scattergun approach to Flyers TV; ticket promotions like the weekend deal a couple of weeks ago that weren't available across all sales channels - you get to the rink and are faced with the lunar surface that is the car park, often unlit and dangerous; if making a good first impression is central to running a business, this tells you all you need to know about the Flyers - then when you're in the rink you contend with rats in the Curlers' Bar, vending machines that 'aren't their responsibility', broken seats, a scoreboard missing multiple bulbs and often illegible, and no toilet paper in the ladies (at least according to Mrs SF!) - that takes you to the on-ice product...passive, ugly, turgid hockey for most of the season with the odd bit of excitement in between to paper over the cracks; imports over burdened; Brits not used; no youngsters coming through the system; I've never been a big advocate of low-import hockey but I think we're in danger of losing a big part of our identity the more the local boys are pushed into the margins of the team - the atmosphere in the rink during the game is now one of the worst in the league as the fans react to the on-ice product; let's also just say diplomatically that the DJ isn't to everyone's taste but at least we could get correct goal announcements (how often isn't it mentioned when the away team scores on the PP or SH) and shots on goal at the end of periods - as for the other entertainment on offer during the game, well the 20-odd minute period breaks feel interminable at times and the chuck-a-puck is a farce - almost impossible to win and I'm sure if someone did a Matchbox truck would be rolled out the following weekend! Sorry if this is turning out to be a bit of a long-winded rant but does the above make you feel appreciated and valued as a fan? Finchy hit the nail on the head the other night in the Braehead thread when he referred to the loyalty of the Flyers fans. The flipside of that loyalty is that we're ultimately a cash cow to be milked. So much out there to be improved upon yet so little progress. We have the foundations there to be a huge club in the Elite League. It's a real shame that the ownership isn't bold enough to recognise that and take action. Maybe Tam will put a bid in on Sloughs old scoreboard? www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201822566478
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