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Post by waterboy on Feb 19, 2017 18:53:02 GMT
Look at the casey haines season, we played amazing hockey on home ice and we didnt have the enforcer. Jason Pitton was an enforcer, he had fought some of the toughest around in the AHL before coming to play here. Hamish McAlpine Tommy Muir Jeff Caister to name a few all gave us proper team toughness. Hamish was a big loss for us that season. We have never replaced him. Probably didn't realise it enough at the time but that is a team I would love to watch play again. The played good physical hockey fought if required and stood up as a team. |
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Post by swarfiga on Feb 19, 2017 18:56:16 GMT
Look at the casey haines season, we played amazing hockey on home ice and we didnt have the enforcer. Jason Pitton was an enforcer, he had fought some of the toughest around in the AHL before coming to play here. Hamish McAlpine Tommy Muir Jeff Caister to name a few all gave us proper team toughness. Hamish was a big loss for us that season. We have never replaced him. Probably didn't realise it enough at the time but that is a team I would love to watch play again. The played good physical hockey fought if required and stood up as a team. By far the best team we've had at home in the elite league. Poor away form but at home were good to watch, had a good balance and that top line was a joy to watch at times, power forward, creative centre and a sniper.... surely it can't be that hard to find that mix again. |
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Post by coloradoflyer on Feb 19, 2017 19:02:27 GMT
All that team needed was a bit of grit like a fulton and they would have defo won a trophy
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Post by bobdee on Feb 19, 2017 19:02:40 GMT
I think Muir is the problem if I'm honest. You could even argue Todd having another year if he was allowed to sign who he wanted I cannot believe you can separate Muir from Todd as the problem. Both have to be complicit in this. If Muir wants a second rate team Todd has to be in agreement or if he had any self respect he would have walked. Supporters have been taken as cash cows as I said last year and someone has reiterated it in this forum, when you look around the arena and see nothing but Flyers merchandise that has been purchased. Supporters taken for granted so nothing is needed on the ice - you will turn up anyway. |
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Post by coloradoflyer on Feb 19, 2017 19:13:34 GMT
They are both the problem
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Post by waterboy on Feb 19, 2017 21:43:09 GMT
We need to finish 6-3 for the remaining games to have a .500 record in the league. It would need to be 8-1 for a .500 record for the season.
Not sure if anyone has but listen to the inane drivel from our coach following tonight's game. He does say it's a team he recruited and it's his systems. If that isn't enough information to force changes god knows what is.
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Post by boschman76 on Feb 19, 2017 21:49:43 GMT
Water boy if he is saying that then who has done the recruitment and chosen the tactics since we came into the league is he saying it wasn't him
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Post by amazepux on Feb 19, 2017 21:51:08 GMT
Bottom line for me is that without a change of ownership, things will just trundle along from year to year exactly as they are. The tone for the way the organisation is run is set from the top. I think I've said this before, but for me there's a culture of accepting mediocrity that permeates the entire club. It's been like that for many years and I don't think that it will change without a change at the top. All you have to do is look at the typical game night experience to see how mediocrity is baked into everything we do: - it even starts before the game night with mediocre PR; little to no information on injuries, usually you'll find out someone is injured when they're not in the pregame warm-ups; scattergun approach to Flyers TV; ticket promotions like the weekend deal a couple of weeks ago that weren't available across all sales channels - you get to the rink and are faced with the lunar surface that is the car park, often unlit and dangerous; if making a good first impression is central to running a business, this tells you all you need to know about the Flyers - then when you're in the rink you contend with rats in the Curlers' Bar, vending machines that 'aren't their responsibility', broken seats, a scoreboard missing multiple bulbs and often illegible, and no toilet paper in the ladies (at least according to Mrs SF!) - that takes you to the on-ice product...passive, ugly, turgid hockey for most of the season with the odd bit of excitement in between to paper over the cracks; imports over burdened; Brits not used; no youngsters coming through the system; I've never been a big advocate of low-import hockey but I think we're in danger of losing a big part of our identity the more the local boys are pushed into the margins of the team - the atmosphere in the rink during the game is now one of the worst in the league as the fans react to the on-ice product; let's also just say diplomatically that the DJ isn't to everyone's taste but at least we could get correct goal announcements (how often isn't it mentioned when the away team scores on the PP or SH) and shots on goal at the end of periods - as for the other entertainment on offer during the game, well the 20-odd minute period breaks feel interminable at times and the chuck-a-puck is a farce - almost impossible to win and I'm sure if someone did a Matchbox truck would be rolled out the following weekend! Sorry if this is turning out to be a bit of a long-winded rant but does the above make you feel appreciated and valued as a fan? Finchy hit the nail on the head the other night in the Braehead thread when he referred to the loyalty of the Flyers fans. The flipside of that loyalty is that we're ultimately a cash cow to be milked. So much out there to be improved upon yet so little progress. We have the foundations there to be a huge club in the Elite League. It's a real shame that the ownership isn't bold enough to recognise that and take action. We need Bubble ball at the first period break like at Coventry...We all get a game and our adrenaline levels perk up until stovies time! |
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Post by boschman76 on Feb 19, 2017 21:57:29 GMT
A hypothetical team since we came into the league how would it do
Owen in goal dmen caister Keller nicker Haines Jackman Muir forwards dingle c Haines Hamilton Siddall pitton Fulton Brookes Chaumont schaber Hamish torch and gunny
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Post by swarfiga on Feb 19, 2017 22:10:59 GMT
No one wants to see their team lose, I certainly don't but are we now at the stage where the only possible way they may make changes and get a wake up call might be if we miss out on the playoffs?
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Post by stewartgibson on Feb 19, 2017 22:12:18 GMT
A hypothetical team since we came into the league how would it do Owen in goal dmen caister Keller nicker Haines Jackman Muir forwards dingle c Haines Hamilton Siddall pitton Fulton Brookes Chaumont schaber Hamish torch and gunny your defence is terrible,forwards are good barring gunn and wilson |
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Post by daviejojo on Feb 19, 2017 23:19:21 GMT
I think Muir is the problem if I'm honest. You could even argue Todd having another year if he was allowed to sign who he wanted I cannot believe you can separate Muir from Todd as the problem. Both have to be complicit in this. If Muir wants a second rate team Todd has to be in agreement or if he had any self respect he would have walked. Supporters have been taken as cash cows as I said last year and someone has reiterated it in this forum, when you look around the arena and see nothing but Flyers merchandise that has been purchased. Supporters taken for granted so nothing is needed on the ice - you will turn up anyway. I know what you're saying, I feel he knows if he walks, he'll likely be done with hockey, so kind of understand why he just does as he's told. It's easy for us to say walk away, but would I...possibly not. Not making excuses, I hasten to add, I 100% want change, but at least if he was given complete control, the buck most definitely stops there. Muir knows, he could put a team of puppets out, and he'd still get 1000 folk watching, and still make a profit, he is under no pressure whatsoever. Bring back Mo, he would not tolerate this interfering and dabbling |
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Post by daviejojo on Feb 19, 2017 23:19:50 GMT
We need to finish 6-3 for the remaining games to have a .500 record in the league. It would need to be 8-1 for a .500 record for the season. Not sure if anyone has but listen to the inane drivel from our coach following tonight's game. He does say it's a team he recruited and it's his systems. If that isn't enough information to force changes god knows what is. Where is the Interview squire, couldn't find it |
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Post by waterboy on Feb 19, 2017 23:29:54 GMT
We need to finish 6-3 for the remaining games to have a .500 record in the league. It would need to be 8-1 for a .500 record for the season. Not sure if anyone has but listen to the inane drivel from our coach following tonight's game. He does say it's a team he recruited and it's his systems. If that isn't enough information to force changes god knows what is. Where is the Interview squire, couldn't find it |
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Post by daviejojo on Feb 19, 2017 23:36:21 GMT
Ta. I now feel totally inspired, nothing to worry about here :-) Off to paper over some cracks I just noticed on the wall |
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