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Post by coloradoflyer on Mar 28, 2017 11:26:34 GMT
but is it just todd's fault mr muir holds the purse strings amd what if he is dictating to dutes about what he can and can't do
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Post by ronniemac on Mar 28, 2017 11:51:38 GMT
Well Mr Muir has paid for 2 crocked imports, unused British players and an import D man to play CENTRE yet we could not sign Craig Moore, John Dolan or Sam Mcluskey, would that have happened at the Big 5 clubs .......................no chance. Would those small changes have made a big difference to Flyers for not a lot of cash...............I think so anyway.
On Todd, I think the club have stood by him above and beyond but it's now time to move on to a more ambitious coach who can lead a stagnating club forwards. (I don't mean Hutchins by the way, (he brings nothing to the team imo).
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Post by coloradoflyer on Mar 28, 2017 12:36:41 GMT
my feeling is as long as muir owns the club he will try and do it on the cheap and todd will be the option for coach only way dutes ain't coach is if he walks away, that's my opinion anyways
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Post by waterboy on Mar 28, 2017 15:03:52 GMT
The signing of Matt is really neither here or there on the scale of things. I would argue that us signing Matt forced other clubs to seriously look at bringing in guys who could stand up to him. In that first season he dominated teams . The bans etc that came along with it where for me a clear indication that the established big teams didn't like the fact that we had one of the toughest guys in the league on our side. Fitzgerald was brought in to the clan with one thing in mind and that was to stop Matt. You also need to consider his impact at Fife with the fans "fear the beard" which I found cringeworthy but it had an impact. He put bums on seats hundreds off them. His second season with us folk knew we needed someone else in the line up to help with that side off the game, We suffered because other teams targeted him every weekend. For me since then we have gone backwards by not having physical players and it has effected our finances and the standard of entertainment we get week in week out. In our time in the EIHL I don't think we have had another import make as big an impression both on and off the ice.
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Post by waterboy on Mar 28, 2017 15:14:46 GMT
my feeling is as long as muir owns the club he will try and do it on the cheap and todd will be the option for coach only way dutes ain't coach is if he walks away, that's my opinion anyways I would normally agree colorado but this season Tam has paid for 16 different imports and 2 bench coaches (sponsors etc are a big part of that I know) so can it really be said he does it on the cheap? Yes the Brit situation does appear to be down to Tam but that's not new so why has Todd not developed KIHC prospects for the past 6 years. for me it all lies at Todd's door he is the coach so he has to carry the can. His comments about not being able to bench guys if they don't try or play badly sums the guy up. His actions have created squad after squad who work out they get away with half hearted efforts at Fife with no consequences.
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Post by waterboy on Mar 28, 2017 15:24:10 GMT
This is what a coach looks an sounds like to me.
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Post by andi renson on Mar 28, 2017 15:46:18 GMT
Compare that to some of the dross we have heard in interviews this season.
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Post by ronniemac on Mar 28, 2017 16:22:43 GMT
I've said it from the start of his EIHL reign........He sacks himself with every interview he does, two barrels to both feet every time.
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Post by joestoyanovich on Mar 28, 2017 16:30:55 GMT
The signing of Matt is really neither here or there on the scale of things. I would argue that us signing Matt forced other clubs to seriously look at bringing in guys who could stand up to him. In that first season he dominated teams . The bans etc that came along with it where for me a clear indication that the established big teams didn't like the fact that we had one of the toughest guys in the league on our side. Fitzgerald was brought in to the clan with one thing in mind and that was to stop Matt. You also need to consider his impact at Fife with the fans "fear the beard" which I found cringeworthy but it had an impact. He put bums on seats hundreds off them. His second season with us folk knew we needed someone else in the line up to help with that side off the game, We suffered because other teams targeted him every weekend. For me since then we have gone backwards by not having physical players and it has effected our finances and the standard of entertainment we get week in week out. In our time in the EIHL I don't think we have had another import make as big an impression both on and off the ice. I don't disagree with your comments waterboy but at the end of the day we didn't do any better with Matt at the club. Sure it was more entertaining and we all loved him for his no nonsense play and sticking up for the team but he was a fleeting presence, and the Flyers still a bottom half of the table club.
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Post by joestoyanovich on Mar 28, 2017 16:35:18 GMT
my feeling is as long as muir owns the club he will try and do it on the cheap and todd will be the option for coach only way dutes ain't coach is if he walks away, that's my opinion anyways I would normally agree colorado but this season Tam has paid for 16 different imports and 2 bench coaches (sponsors etc are a big part of that I know) so can it really be said he does it on the cheap? Yes the Brit situation does appear to be down to Tam but that's not new so why has Todd not developed KIHC prospects for the past 6 years. for me it all lies at Todd's door he is the coach so he has to carry the can. His comments about not being able to bench guys if they don't try or play badly sums the guy up. His actions have created squad after squad who work out they get away with half hearted efforts at Fife with no consequences. I agree waterboy TD has had finances made available to him, its who he has signed thats been the big problem.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Mar 28, 2017 16:51:02 GMT
if our directors and coaches had ambition we not be 6th -10th every year getting beat to our conf and no where in the rest
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Post by waterboy on Mar 28, 2017 17:02:17 GMT
I would argue that us signing Matt forced other clubs to seriously look at bringing in guys who could stand up to him. In that first season he dominated teams . The bans etc that came along with it where for me a clear indication that the established big teams didn't like the fact that we had one of the toughest guys in the league on our side. Fitzgerald was brought in to the clan with one thing in mind and that was to stop Matt. You also need to consider his impact at Fife with the fans "fear the beard" which I found cringeworthy but it had an impact. He put bums on seats hundreds off them. His second season with us folk knew we needed someone else in the line up to help with that side off the game, We suffered because other teams targeted him every weekend. For me since then we have gone backwards by not having physical players and it has effected our finances and the standard of entertainment we get week in week out. In our time in the EIHL I don't think we have had another import make as big an impression both on and off the ice. I don't disagree with your comments waterboy but at the end of the day we didn't do any better with Matt at the club. Sure it was more entertaining and we all loved him for his no nonsense play and sticking up for the team but he was a fleeting presence, and the Flyers still a bottom half of the table club. Off course we did better it was more entertaining and we had more money coming through the door. Not exactly a poor return on the investment was it. Tell me this who would you want in a flyers top next season Thinel or Rosehill?
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Post by joestoyanovich on Mar 28, 2017 17:44:22 GMT
We didn't do better as a team though did we, in Matts second year we were guff.
Who would I want in a Flyers top next season well from the choice you give me it would obviously be Rosehill but one player doesn't make a team does he?
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Post by stewartgibson on Mar 29, 2017 9:18:15 GMT
I don't disagree with your comments waterboy but at the end of the day we didn't do any better with Matt at the club. Sure it was more entertaining and we all loved him for his no nonsense play and sticking up for the team but he was a fleeting presence, and the Flyers still a bottom half of the table club. Off course we did better it was more entertaining and we had more money coming through the door. Not exactly a poor return on the investment was it. Tell me this who would you want in a flyers top next season Thinel or Rosehill? rosehill on 3 goals this year and probably one of the highest paid players,give me thinel every day
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Post by coloradoflyer on Mar 29, 2017 9:31:38 GMT
Off course we did better it was more entertaining and we had more money coming through the door. Not exactly a poor return on the investment was it. Tell me this who would you want in a flyers top next season Thinel or Rosehill? rosehill on 3 goals this year and probably one of the highest paid players,give me thinel every day can see your point there but I would take someone like rosehill over thinel for one reason protection he will at least protect his players unlike most of our current squad heed down and skate away
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