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Post by --G-- on Apr 5, 2017 9:01:04 GMT
He wasn’t brought here to score points?!? He played in the AHL (edit: said NHL - clearly giving him more credit that he was due) last year, how can you expect him NOT to score in this league. Given his lack of fights, I think this was a season of him trying to play hockey. I’m not debating the fact the flyers needed some big bodies this year to protect our skill guys - but not this waste of space.
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Post by rimbleton on Apr 5, 2017 10:18:56 GMT
What makes you think Rosehill would ever go to Fife, no chance, like Jackman this year, you can have your pick of our **** defence men for next season, reason for lack of fights from Rosehill, simple not many fancied taking him on, including your team.
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Apr 5, 2017 11:06:19 GMT
What makes you think Rosehill would ever go to Fife, no chance, like Jackman this year, you can have your pick of our **** defence men for next season, reason for lack of fights from Rosehill, simple not many fancied taking him on, including your team. We didn't want to hurt him.
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Post by --G-- on Apr 5, 2017 11:10:26 GMT
What makes you think Rosehill would ever go to Fife, no chance, like Jackman this year, you can have your pick of our **** defence men for next season, reason for lack of fights from Rosehill, simple not many fancied taking him on, including your team. Given Rosehills career trajectory, I expect next year he will be playing beer league in Asia.
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Post by rimbleton on Apr 5, 2017 11:40:33 GMT
IF that's the case hope he takes the defencemen with him, although they might struggle to get a game. (Sullivan not included)
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Post by waterboy on Apr 5, 2017 12:57:24 GMT
He wasn’t brought here to score points?!? He played in the AHL (edit: said NHL - clearly giving him more credit that he was due) last year, how can you expect him NOT to score in this league. Given his lack of fights, I think this was a season of him trying to play hockey. I’m not debating the fact the flyers needed some big bodies this year to protect our skill guys - but not this waste of space. Big Matt played in the AHL. Did he put up great numbers in any of the last 4 seasons? Did he take stupid penalties? Would you take him back? Just to clarify my thoughts on this. I couldn't care less if we tried to sign Rosehill or not. I do think we need someone like him in our team (2 would be preferably). Here is the crucial bit any player that can fight like that play physical and score a ton of points at this level aint playing in this league. They will stay in the AHL or be very close to making the NHL.
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Post by stewartgibson on Apr 5, 2017 13:01:19 GMT
IF that's the case hope he takes the defencemen with him, although they might struggle to get a game. (Sullivan not included) sullivan? Hahahahahaha
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Post by --G-- on Apr 5, 2017 13:54:07 GMT
He wasn’t brought here to score points?!? He played in the AHL (edit: said NHL - clearly giving him more credit that he was due) last year, how can you expect him NOT to score in this league. Given his lack of fights, I think this was a season of him trying to play hockey. I’m not debating the fact the flyers needed some big bodies this year to protect our skill guys - but not this waste of space. Big Matt played in the AHL. Did he put up great numbers in any of the last 4 seasons? Did he take stupid penalties? Would you take him back? Just to clarify my thoughts on this. I couldn't care less if we tried to sign Rosehill or not. I do think we need someone like him in our team (2 would be preferably). Here is the crucial bit any player that can fight like that play physical and score a ton of points at this level aint playing in this league. They will stay in the AHL or be very close to making the NHL. agree. But to the point - Matt never played in the NHL. Rosehill clocked up over 100 games. AHL experience is 60 to 448. So big difference in expectations I would have thought. Either way – we have months to wait for any signing news
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Post by bobdee on Apr 5, 2017 14:22:30 GMT
Big Matt played in the AHL. Did he put up great numbers in any of the last 4 seasons? Did he take stupid penalties? Would you take him back? Just to clarify my thoughts on this. I couldn't care less if we tried to sign Rosehill or not. I do think we need someone like him in our team (2 would be preferably). Here is the crucial bit any player that can fight like that play physical and score a ton of points at this level aint playing in this league. They will stay in the AHL or be very close to making the NHL. agree. But to the point - Matt never played in the NHL. Rosehill clocked up over 100 games. AHL experience is 60 to 448. So big difference in expectations I would have thought. Either way – we have months to wait for any signing news The killer blow first signing will probably be Todd and it's not worth getting hot and bothered after that.
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Post by waterboy on Apr 5, 2017 15:01:13 GMT
Big Matt played in the AHL. Did he put up great numbers in any of the last 4 seasons? Did he take stupid penalties? Would you take him back? Just to clarify my thoughts on this. I couldn't care less if we tried to sign Rosehill or not. I do think we need someone like him in our team (2 would be preferably). Here is the crucial bit any player that can fight like that play physical and score a ton of points at this level aint playing in this league. They will stay in the AHL or be very close to making the NHL. agree. But to the point - Matt never played in the NHL. Rosehill clocked up over 100 games. AHL experience is 60 to 448. So big difference in expectations I would have thought. Either way – we have months to wait for any signing news Different expectations, cant see how to be honest. Rosehill has always played as an enforcer (just like Matt) -NHL 117 games 34 fights 8 points. AHL 448 games 104 fights 69 points. How anyone could have expected him to put up big numbers is beyond me. In the games I saw he dominated out entire team while the clan won all but one. Matt played in the AHL then moved to the Liiga and the Allsvenskan before returning to the AHL. Stepping away from the game for 2 years stopped his AHL career. I will say this again these days just because guys have the NHL on their CV doesn't mean they will come here and dominate like Doug Smail did back in the day. Especially guys who have played their entire career in a certain role. The EIHL is now at such a standard that teams do sign imports to fill roles and not just be top line high scoring players. Normally the guys who play physical and fight more than their teammates are not top point scorers.
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Post by --G-- on Apr 5, 2017 15:18:08 GMT
Perhaps I am guilty of expecting a level of professionalism and skill that would come after years and years experience playing in big league, with and against the best players in the world. The general expectations of all the clan fans I had spoken too about Rosehill was that he would bring toughness but get points too. They expected more skill from a guy with the experience he has, and the fact that the EIHL is not holding the same kind of standards of D. For example: Wands v any D man in the NHL you care to mention. Massive difference. He did boss us in the games your right, but then this year ANYONE feeling brave could have. I don’t recall a more gutless flyers team in recent years.
I agree the NHL is not a green card to the first line, but when you have over 100 games experience and you are still only 31, you expect more.
When I compare the level between the AHL and the EIHL, I see a huge gulf. Its just gulfin buddy.
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Post by ronniemac on Apr 5, 2017 16:10:12 GMT
The thing about Rosehill would be that the whole team skated 6ins taller because he was there, at Fife guys looked the other way most of the time and I lost count how many times Owen got run over during the season.
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Post by waterboy on Apr 5, 2017 18:05:33 GMT
Perhaps I am guilty of expecting a level of professionalism and skill that would come after years and years experience playing in big league, with and against the best players in the world. The general expectations of all the clan fans I had spoken too about Rosehill was that he would bring toughness but get points too. They expected more skill from a guy with the experience he has, and the fact that the EIHL is not holding the same kind of standards of D. For example: Wands v any D man in the NHL you care to mention. Massive difference. He did boss us in the games your right, but then this year ANYONE feeling brave could have. I don’t recall a more gutless flyers team in recent years. I agree the NHL is not a green card to the first line, but when you have over 100 games experience and you are still only 31, you expect more. When I compare the level between the AHL and the EIHL, I see a huge gulf. Its just gulfin buddy. I get that folk see NHL and expect more. To me you need to look at how the player has been used in his career. Rosehill has never been a scorer at any level playing physical and standing up for teammates has been his thing. He is an excellent skater and can play defence or forward. The purple podcast guys said earlier in the season he made a huge difference at the back when he swapped to there but they missed his presence upfront. Sounds like a decent player to me. Love the comparison of Wandsy and any NHL defenceman
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