CraggyP
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NHL Team: Tampa Bay Lightning
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Post by CraggyP on Dec 27, 2018 22:26:34 GMT
Brought 7 newbies from the work to the Clan game, thought if there was going to be a game to get them hooked, this would be it. 1 thinks he would go back, the rest thought it was pretty stale and not worth £17 + drinkies. Way to go team 🤬🤬 If only you could pick the good ones when you take along newbies it would be great but every sport does unfortunately have dull encounters but you would never have guessed a Clan vs Flyers to be in that bunch. It does suck when it happens but tonights game would have been a hook for many newbies I am sure. Hopefully the team can feed on the result and grow in confidence so most weeks are good enough for new fans to enjoy and grow the fan base
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Post by tackleberry on Dec 28, 2018 1:52:04 GMT
Way more than 1500 in Auld Barn tonight Good Atmosphere especially in 3rd Highlight for Stars was Flyers Drummer getting ejected Couldn’t be there tonight but glad to hear the game was well attended👍
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spudeeelad
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EIHL Team: Manchester Storm
NHL Team: Tampa Bay Lightning
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Post by spudeeelad on Jan 10, 2019 10:02:00 GMT
What a lot of people, particularly on the anti-fighting/physical side seem to be missing, is a good old wrestling analogy (don't laugh, let me explain).
The 2 man system, whilst making the game have less dirty plays, particularly behind the play (don't think that can be disputed too much), what you have to understand is that it's taken a crucial crucial element away from the game - the good ol' heel.
Whether it be wrestling or a pantomime, you need a villain. It doesn't matter whether you love or hate someone, as long as you feel strongly one way or the other, then the atmosphere and business will be good.
- take this beautiful example. Every single person there is there solely to boo Reigns out of the building. Whether he's loved or hated does not matter, the crowd is drawn into it because they are made to feel strongly one way or the other - in this case, clearly against.
Any game with a player like Rosehill playing for Clan, you know full well you're attending that Flyers game and every single time Rosehill goes near anyone, even for a clean hit, he's getting boo'd out the building. You go to the game in anticipation, hoping someone will hit him centre ice or better, beat him in a fight and that excites you.
Who is there to hate these days? Great villains of the past like Voth, Rosehill, McMorrow, Nickerson, Payette and I'm sure many others - who is there to hate now? Like really really hate? Nobody.
With nobody to hate, nobody becomes a hero for being the anti-villain, so just like wrestling, if you don't have anything happening to make the crowd take notice of, nobody will care and nobody will come.
Edit:- btw, the same analogy can actually be applied to today's politics. Trump employed the same tactics during his campaign and so does the media nowadays. Look at Trump, look at Brexit, look at Scottish Independence, EVERYONE is strongly one way or the other and so pays attention. Everything is designed to whip you up into a frenzy - look at the language that is used, for example, Trump describing the migrant caravans as an invasion - those likely to agree are like "YYYYEAAAHHHHH WOOO TRUMP!" and get hyped up and go out on vote where they've previously been indifferent to voting whilst those likely to disagree are like "OMG NOOOOO BOOOO!!! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" and go protest - the media likes this too because it makes ratings good. It does not matter, which side you are on, as long as you feel strongly one way, or the other, it gives something to talk about, keeps the radar on them. Trump is in the news almost every single day. The same wasn't said for Obama or those before him.
This is the same in hockey as explained above. There isn't anything to feel strongly about at the minute (except maybe the standard of officiating ha!) to compel you to go to a game (unless you're winning the league which you're not, you're just going to be mid-table and well, who cares about that? Nothing special).
2nd edit:- Fife weren't in the Elite League back in the days of the pantomime fights, but does anybody remember when enforcers would go on radio and trash talk each other the night before a game? Same tactic, whip people up into hating the opposing enforcer. It was fantastic to hype you up for the game.
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ronniemac
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NHL Team: Chicago Blackhawks
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Post by ronniemac on Jan 10, 2019 17:25:10 GMT
The powers that be are turning Ice Hockey into a tiddly Winks contest which is mostly boring and pretty dangerous for players in my opinion because getting caught skating with your head down and getting clobbered by a large body at speed that decides to break the mould could have disastrous consequences, if players are frowned upon from fighting then sticks will be more commonly used to settle a score .........not good scenarios. Ice Hockey is SHOW BUSINESS whether people like that or not and what Spudeeelad has said is spot-on in my opinion, nowadays the public have to choose very carefully where their hard earned is going to get the best value for money and hockey is dropping down the to do list rapidly. We need to go back the way a bit and have characters in the sport,names to roll off your tongue with plenty tales to tell before and after games / seasons, now you don't even get the buzz that hooked you on the sport in the first place,in truth most of us are on auto pilot and turn up because we have not found something else to fill the void, eventually we will which would be sad, personally I discovered the sport 40 years ago and 2 generations have followed me along since but how long will this be the case.
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Post by boschman76 on Jan 10, 2019 18:04:49 GMT
Don't know why the eihl is going fight Free still plenty of fights and big hits going on in the nhl and the British game has always been North American based because of the players that come into the league so can't understand why the league is turning into a more European style league
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Post by swarfiga on Jan 11, 2019 13:59:06 GMT
Don't know why the eihl is going fight Free still plenty of fights and big hits going on in the nhl and the British game has always been North American based because of the players that come into the league so can't understand why the league is turning into a more European style league Problem is it’s too low a level to be played European style, most the players here aren’t good enough for Sweden, Czech etc. They’re good enough for the ECHL American tougher style of hockey though
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Post by boschman76 on Jan 11, 2019 14:14:02 GMT
Still doesn't explain swarfiga why the fighting and physical play has dropped over the last couple of seasons in the league
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spudeeelad
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Post by spudeeelad on Jan 11, 2019 23:16:10 GMT
I think the drop in physicality and fighting is multi factoral.
1) Consistent head injuries, concussions, alcoholism and addiction to pain killers amongst the things suffered by enforcers is now more widely understood and the leagues are more accountable for this nowadays.
2) The negative headlines caused by Incidents such as the Dediomete and Nickerson incidents from recent seasons doing considerable damage to PR and the image of being little more than a thugs sport.
3) The NHL has been clamping down on physicality and fighting and so have the junior leagues even more so. I could be wrong here, but IIRC I remember reading that a lot of kids and peewee leagues in Canada have moved to non-contact. But either way, next to no enforcers at the top level inevitably means none to move down into our leagues.
4) Teams at the lower end cannot afford to carry an out and out enforcer these days. They need every player pulling their weight towards getting results. The lower teams are already outgunned by 4 lines to 3 by the big clubs, carrying a dead weight meaning they are only ever 1 or 2 injuries from being down to 2 lines is just too much.
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rossco
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EIHL Team: Fife Flyers
NHL Team: Detroit Red Wings
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Post by rossco on Jan 12, 2019 14:48:28 GMT
Unless you can't see beyond the scoreline what was wrong with the hockey on display last weekend ?
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Post by swarfiga on Jan 12, 2019 15:58:40 GMT
Still doesn't explain swarfiga why the fighting and physical play has dropped over the last couple of seasons in the league Agree, I was trying to back you up, I don’t understand it either, that’s why I have only been to half the games this season
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Post by boschman76 on Jan 12, 2019 16:28:17 GMT
Swarfiga people on here keep going on about the nhl clamping down on physical play and fighting not sure what games they are watching because there still seems to be plenty of physical play big hits and fights in the games iv seen what has changed is the guys doing the fighting can also contribute points
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Post by swarfiga on Jan 12, 2019 19:16:55 GMT
Swarfiga people on here keep going on about the nhl clamping down on physical play and fighting not sure what games they are watching because there still seems to be plenty of physical play big hits and fights in the games iv seen what has changed is the guys doing the fighting can also contribute points When you mention physical play people automatically think you mean fights, I don’t care that much about fights except it makes business sense for fife. I just want to see game changing physical play, I want us to bully teams in our own rink, I dont want to see cowardly moves from Carlo Finnucci and then see him fill his pants when he gets confronted over it. I agree with you on the NHL also, the staged fights are gone, they’re trying to get rid of the out of control hits to the head etc but there’s still plenty big boys playing hard finishing hits, Ovechkin is one of the best players in the world and he is still smoking players every game.
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Post by boschman76 on Jan 12, 2019 19:37:38 GMT
Exactly one of the best power forwards iv ever seen in this league was Leigh salters would put up points make hits and drop the gloves when necessary. Wayne Gretzky said if you stop guys dropping the gloves sticks will become weapons and any guy can use a stick on someone and your right it is cowardly and that certainly has no place in hockey
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