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Post by swarfiga on Dec 13, 2018 21:18:11 GMT
According to flyers twitter page we played Guildford tonight, any ideas how we got on? Idiots
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Post by tackleberry on Dec 13, 2018 21:21:32 GMT
Surely its about balance though. The time to bring on the local young guys is if we are about 6 up with 10minutes left. The game has to be won before giving them ice-time. Its a fact throughout the league. Some other teams are often forced into playing better quality brits due to deliberately having shorter benches. The league is far more competitive than in years past. With regards quality brits we are comparing the likes of Mackenzie and Buesa with OConnor and Dowd at Steelers or Lachowitz Farmer and Betteridge at Panthers or Duggan Myers Moore at Devils etc etc Moore at Devils often doesnt get a great amount of ice time. Thats why we have to rely on imports performing well. The cost of getting high quality brits is unaffordable even if they wanted to move north. This is exactly why we have got Mackenzie abd Buesa from Clan. However one to try and get next year would be Cownie at Stars. In an ideal scenario we would be able to blood the local lads more often but the games are too tight for that to be a reality. Or even 6 down like we were against Cardiff, but still no ice time for the youngsters.
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Post by finchy on Dec 14, 2018 0:16:00 GMT
According to flyers twitter page we played Guildford tonight, any ideas how we got on? Idiots There have been multiple tweets and messages on Facebook this week referring to our game against Guildford as being ‘tonight’. It’s been pointed out to them by fans but the posts have remained. It’s been the same in previous weeks. How bad is it possible to be on PR? I sometimes wonder if it’s a wind up. You could actually get a primary kid to do better. Completely inexcusable and makes a mockery of a pro sports club... but nobody seems to care.
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Post by ckbell63 on Dec 14, 2018 7:33:42 GMT
It’s true it’s not just a Flyers thing but i never believed I’d ever find hockey so boring. Seeing Smith, Robertson and Cochrane regularly would make a huge difference to me. I just don’t understand it. Buesa is the shining example of what ice time can do- great wee player. I like Bari McKenzie too and noticed that he had one bad shift on Saturday and was benched the rest of the game. That just doesn’t happen with the imports. I agree Bari had one bad shift and was benched yet imports for years can have poor games or afterwards be described as not up for the game yet get played. One rule for locals and one for imports.
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Post by ronniemac on Dec 14, 2018 10:46:26 GMT
They did bench Bulmer for the last period recently.
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Post by sabre74 on Dec 14, 2018 12:20:46 GMT
Surely its about balance though. The time to bring on the local young guys is if we are about 6 up with 10minutes left. The game has to be won before giving them ice-time. Its a fact throughout the league. Some other teams are often forced into playing better quality brits due to deliberately having shorter benches. The league is far more competitive than in years past. With regards quality brits we are comparing the likes of Mackenzie and Buesa with OConnor and Dowd at Steelers or Lachowitz Farmer and Betteridge at Panthers or Duggan Myers Moore at Devils etc etc Moore at Devils often doesnt get a great amount of ice time. Thats why we have to rely on imports performing well. The cost of getting high quality brits is unaffordable even if they wanted to move north. This is exactly why we have got Mackenzie abd Buesa from Clan. However one to try and get next year would be Cownie at Stars. In an ideal scenario we would be able to blood the local lads more often but the games are too tight for that to be a reality. Or even 6 down like we were against Cardiff, but still no ice time for the youngsters. Said it before and will say it again, there are issues with the players this season, defence the biggest concern. But the first thing I would do would get rid of the current coaching staff. New ideas are needed and freshen things up. A new coach would maybe give the brits a chance.
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Post by bobdee on Dec 14, 2018 12:34:45 GMT
If the coaching staff can't see these weaknesses and try to do something about it, there is something far wrong with them
New coaches with new ideas please.
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Post by teamshaky on Dec 14, 2018 21:31:03 GMT
The team this season does not seem to have the passion and enthusiasm that Fife fans feed off, the connection just doesn't seem to be there this season. It's like just another job to them. To many of the players are either here for education or a working holiday to experience a different culture firstly, then ice hockey second. It's like the players don't feel proud and privileged to play for Fife, think a lot of the fans are feeling these vibes and losing their enthusiasm and support for the players and team hence the poor attendances and atmosphere.
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Post by joestoyanovich on Dec 14, 2018 22:20:18 GMT
My biggest disconnection with the Flyers, as many seem to have, is the demise of local players in the team. Those few who do do pull on the jersey reduced to little more than bit part performers. The Flyers seem much less like the Flyers to me these days, from a team built year on from a core of local talent supplemented with a smattering of imports to a team of ever changing imports who you barely get to know before they're off in most cases.
I know times move on and the current Flyers team would likely thrash teams from the day but the EIHL is a soulless league, for me difficult to buy into with so little local interest.
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Post by finchy on Dec 15, 2018 13:01:36 GMT
They did bench Bulmer for the last period recently. It wasn’t for one bad shift though! In fact he did get a shift in that period and we lost another goal.
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Post by toomanymen on Dec 15, 2018 13:06:25 GMT
My biggest disconnection with the Flyers, as many seem to have, is the demise of local players in the team. Those few who do do pull on the jersey reduced to little more than bit part performers. The Flyers seem much less like the Flyers to me these days, from a team built year on from a core of local talent supplemented with a smattering of imports to a team of ever changing imports who you barely get to know before they're off in most cases. I know times move on and the current Flyers team would likely thrash teams from the day but the EIHL is a soulless league, for me difficult to buy into with so little local interest. Granted they have Mckenzie and Buesa now but Its crazy when they could be icing 4 lines occasionally for the first time ever, developing the local kids in the process. We are not a minority Joe, everyone I speak to on game nights wants to see these lads on the ice, especially when others are under performing. It lifts the crowd.
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Post by amazepux on Dec 15, 2018 17:09:11 GMT
My biggest disconnection with the Flyers, as many seem to have, is the demise of local players in the team. Those few who do do pull on the jersey reduced to little more than bit part performers. The Flyers seem much less like the Flyers to me these days, from a team built year on from a core of local talent supplemented with a smattering of imports to a team of ever changing imports who you barely get to know before they're off in most cases. I know times move on and the current Flyers team would likely thrash teams from the day but the EIHL is a soulless league, for me difficult to buy into with so little local interest. Granted they have Mckenzie and Buesa now but Its crazy when they could be icing 4 lines occasionally for the first time ever, developing the local kids in the process. We are not a minority Joe, everyone I speak to on game nights wants to see these lads on the ice, especially when others are under performing. It lifts the crowd. It is a valid point. However what if the team starts to lose game after game? How many fans would be happy with that outcome? Many fans shell out a substantial amount for tickets (some in advance via STs) mostly to see a competitive team. There has to balance. Wanting more local lads to bring back a team identity is a valid request. I would suggest though that we dont have good enough local players yet. Its whether supporters would rather have a team performing like at the moment (4th) or a team similar to season 1 in elite league (bottom but with lots of local lads) Cant have it both ways. The elite league only suits highly skilled brits such as OConnor Bowns Richardson Dowd etc. Those not so skilled such as Mackenzie etc struggle to get a game never mind Cochrane Robertson et al. People need to decide if they want to watch NIHL standard hockey of the Solway sharks level or EIHL. The mgt obviously knew this when deciding to enter EIHL and judged that the EIHL was better option. They cant please everyone though.
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Post by finchy on Dec 15, 2018 22:59:55 GMT
Granted they have Mckenzie and Buesa now but Its crazy when they could be icing 4 lines occasionally for the first time ever, developing the local kids in the process. We are not a minority Joe, everyone I speak to on game nights wants to see these lads on the ice, especially when others are under performing. It lifts the crowd. It is a valid point. However what if the team starts to lose game after game? How many fans would be happy with that outcome? Many fans shell out a substantial amount for tickets (some in advance via STs) mostly to see a competitive team. There has to balance. Wanting more local lads to bring back a team identity is a valid request. I would suggest though that we dont have good enough local players yet. Its whether supporters would rather have a team performing like at the moment (4th) or a team similar to season 1 in elite league (bottom but with lots of local lads) Cant have it both ways. The elite league only suits highly skilled brits such as OConnor Bowns Richardson Dowd etc. Those not so skilled such as Mackenzie etc struggle to get a game never mind Cochrane Robertson et al. People need to decide if they want to watch NIHL standard hockey of the Solway sharks level or EIHL. The mgt obviously knew this when deciding to enter EIHL and judged that the EIHL was better option. They cant please everyone though. Do you honestly think the crowds could get any lower than the current level if we started giving some very talented GB internationals some ice time? Despite our position the games have been mainly awful this season with very little to get excited about. How do you think the likes of Ben O Connor and Ben Bowns got to where they are now? Teams like Edinburgh and Hull put their faith in them, allowed them to make mistakes and got some real benefit from it. I see teams like Coventry giving players like Ross Venus ice time and developing them into serviceable Elite players all the time- it’s not true to say that it’s pointless unless he becomes Robert Dowd. Putting them on when we’re 6-0 up is utterly pointless and how often are we in that position? I keep saying it but Buesa is a perfect example of what regular ice time can do... Clan did it for him, Dundee have done it for Cownie. The boys we have on our bench are the cream of current GB talent - they absolutely must get their chance or we know what’ll happen. Why does running with 4 limes automatically mean we won’t get results anyway? Young boys would bring energy on and off the ice and provide rest for imports. It’s a long season, I just can’t accept that we can’t find times to put them in. Josh Scoon managed to get plenty ice time with a lot less raw talent... and for all his faults he quite often made helpful contributions. We’re not going to win the league. I’d rather have slightly less points and more excitement.... seeing local boys brings that.
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Post by toomanymen on Dec 16, 2018 0:11:01 GMT
It is a valid point. However what if the team starts to lose game after game? How many fans would be happy with that outcome? Many fans shell out a substantial amount for tickets (some in advance via STs) mostly to see a competitive team. There has to balance. Wanting more local lads to bring back a team identity is a valid request. I would suggest though that we dont have good enough local players yet. Its whether supporters would rather have a team performing like at the moment (4th) or a team similar to season 1 in elite league (bottom but with lots of local lads) Cant have it both ways. The elite league only suits highly skilled brits such as OConnor Bowns Richardson Dowd etc. Those not so skilled such as Mackenzie etc struggle to get a game never mind Cochrane Robertson et al. People need to decide if they want to watch NIHL standard hockey of the Solway sharks level or EIHL. The mgt obviously knew this when deciding to enter EIHL and judged that the EIHL was better option. They cant please everyone though. Do you honestly think the crowds could get any lower than the current level if we started giving some very talented GB internationals some ice time? Despite our position the games have been mainly awful this season with very little to get excited about. How do you think the likes of Ben O Connor and Ben Bowns got to where they are now? Teams like Edinburgh and Hull put their faith in them, allowed them to make mistakes and got some real benefit from it. I see teams like Coventry giving players like Ross Venus ice time and developing them into serviceable Elite players all the time- it’s not true to say that it’s pointless unless he becomes Robert Dowd. Putting them on when we’re 6-0 up is utterly pointless and how often are we in that position? I keep saying it but Buesa is a perfect example of what regular ice time can do... Clan did it for him, Dundee have done it for Cownie. The boys we have on our bench are the cream of current GB talent - they absolutely must get their chance or we know what’ll happen. Why does running with 4 limes automatically mean we won’t get results anyway? Young boys would bring energy on and off the ice and provide rest for imports. It’s a long season, I just can’t accept that we can’t find times to put them in. Josh Scoon managed to get plenty ice time with a lot less raw talent... and for all his faults he quite often made helpful contributions. We’re not going to win the league. I’d rather have slightly less points and more excitement.... seeing local boys brings that. There is Fife lads on the bench with Buesa abilities if given the channce.
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Post by sabre74 on Dec 16, 2018 0:47:46 GMT
Do you honestly think the crowds could get any lower than the current level if we started giving some very talented GB internationals some ice time? Despite our position the games have been mainly awful this season with very little to get excited about. How do you think the likes of Ben O Connor and Ben Bowns got to where they are now? Teams like Edinburgh and Hull put their faith in them, allowed them to make mistakes and got some real benefit from it. I see teams like Coventry giving players like Ross Venus ice time and developing them into serviceable Elite players all the time- it’s not true to say that it’s pointless unless he becomes Robert Dowd. Putting them on when we’re 6-0 up is utterly pointless and how often are we in that position? I keep saying it but Buesa is a perfect example of what regular ice time can do... Clan did it for him, Dundee have done it for Cownie. The boys we have on our bench are the cream of current GB talent - they absolutely must get their chance or we know what’ll happen. Why does running with 4 limes automatically mean we won’t get results anyway? Young boys would bring energy on and off the ice and provide rest for imports. It’s a long season, I just can’t accept that we can’t find times to put them in. Josh Scoon managed to get plenty ice time with a lot less raw talent... and for all his faults he quite often made helpful contributions. We’re not going to win the league. I’d rather have slightly less points and more excitement.... seeing local boys brings that. There is Fife lads on the bench with Buesa abilities if given the channce. Totally agree. And that is another reason the present coaching staff should be gone. Never done a thing to bring these guys on or has the present coach in the elite league era. Time for a change.
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