nm1
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Post by nm1 on Mar 15, 2019 15:06:11 GMT
Sheffield player gets 5 plus game for boarding, hit from behind really, probably putting our captain out for the foreseeable future. Todd immediately says it's referred to DOPS. No word from DOPS. No word from Flyers. No match video or any clips from Flyers. C'mon Flyers, stop hiding and have the bollocks to tell us what's happening, even if DOPS don't?!?!
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Post by damonauldbarn on Mar 16, 2019 9:02:29 GMT
Looks like by not speaking DOPS have spoken. I didn't see the hit on Schaber but did see the one on Bloodoff. The Bloodoff one looked awkward and would need to see it again. I thought it was worth a penalty at the time but not sure about how bad it was to attract a post game penalty.
That whole incident was bizarre. I think it was Basara who went over and confronted the Sheffield player and I'm sure he punched him but no roughing penalty either.
Like I said I never saw the hit on Schaber so cannot comment. Same goes for what Gauts then did.
We will potentially go into this weekend without Birzins, Schaber and Crowder, so not losing Gauts is huge.
If this is the final determination of DOPS and the hit is a bad one, Flyers really need to look at the way they present their evidence to DOPS. Like every process there is always a good and bad way of doing it and this coupled with the Manchester game shows we are off the mark.
This is my 2nd season watching the Flyers. Last year I watched us win v Nottingham but at a cost - probably to the outcome of our season. This year has gone the same way. I do like that TD wants the team playing hockey but sadly, in this league, he clearly stands alone. Next year he really needs to recruit one or two who can ensure teams do not come and clear out a season in one game.
I do not want an enforcer but a presence. This is where we return to the bizarre as that is not the direction the league have said they want to go. You would think they would be actively encouraging coaches like TD and not doing his knees like this every year.
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Post by joestoyanovich on Mar 16, 2019 11:55:18 GMT
The silence this week has been deafening.
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Post by tackleberry on Mar 16, 2019 19:23:22 GMT
An absolute joke, DOPS have peed all over us AGAIN!!
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niall
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Post by niall on Mar 16, 2019 20:46:27 GMT
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think this game has been swept under the rug by DOPS to protect 1 or 2 Steelers players from bans. The last thing Tony Smith, owner of the Sheffield Steelers and chairman of the EIHL would want is Johnson and Armstrong(I think it was him who arguably boarded/checked Bloodoff from behind) facing bans when the Steelers are in a scrap to make the play-offs. They knew they could not ban Guathier or Bloodoff without banning 1 or both of the Steelers players so it was easier to ignore this game entirely. To an extent it suits us because it would have been disastrous with our injury situation to lose Gauthier or Bloodoff to suspension for a number of games. On the other hand, to in all probability lose our captain for the rest of the season due to a bad hit from an opponent and the opponent receiving no supplementary discipline is very disappointing.
Edited to add : If these incidents had happened in a game between Fife and Dundee for example, them i'm sure hefty bans would have been given to players from both teams.
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Post by rokit on Mar 16, 2019 22:00:27 GMT
Total bull from league and DOPeS. This should be taken out of the hands of current/ex league buddies and put into independent hands it’s not the first time been screwed over by them. I’m up for putting myself forward to represent as an independent agent.
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CraggyP
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Post by CraggyP on Mar 16, 2019 23:40:32 GMT
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think this game has been swept under the rug by DOPS to protect 1 or 2 Steelers players from bans. The last thing Tony Smith, owner of the Sheffield Steelers and chairman of the EIHL would want is Johnson and Armstrong(I think it was him who arguably boarded/checked Bloodoff from behind) facing bans when the Steelers are in a scrap to make the play-offs. They knew they could not ban Guathier or Bloodoff without banning 1 or both of the Steelers players so it was easier to ignore this game entirely. To an extent it suits us because it would have been disastrous with our injury situation to lose Gauthier or Bloodoff to suspension for a number of games. On the other hand, to in all probability lose our captain for the rest of the season due to a bad hit from an opponent and the opponent receiving no supplementary discipline is very disappointing. Edited to add : If these incidents had happened in a game between Fife and Dundee for example, them i'm sure hefty bans would have been given to players from both teams. Schaber was boarded illegally imo ... and is now concussed DOPeS again silent after a review but they don't have to explain incidents they decide not worthy of a ban ? It is so sad the league has become so bent
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Post by boschman76 on Mar 16, 2019 23:48:16 GMT
Thought dops was independently chaired by a ex nhl official now
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CraggyP
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Post by CraggyP on Mar 16, 2019 23:53:36 GMT
Thought dops was independently chaired by a ex nhl official now A few years ago but his rulings were fair and across the board … and explained perfectly. But that seems so far away now - reliable judgmental calls within the league or DOPeS now ? Rotten and Embarrassing is my take on it all
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Post by boschman76 on Mar 17, 2019 0:29:19 GMT
Awe right didn't know it had changed. Well we should just do what every other team does have a couple of there own sheriffs to control the opposition bad boys save all the hassle
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Mar 17, 2019 6:09:40 GMT
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think this game has been swept under the rug by DOPS to protect 1 or 2 Steelers players from bans. The last thing Tony Smith, owner of the Sheffield Steelers and chairman of the EIHL would want is Johnson and Armstrong(I think it was him who arguably boarded/checked Bloodoff from behind) facing bans when the Steelers are in a scrap to make the play-offs. They knew they could not ban Guathier or Bloodoff without banning 1 or both of the Steelers players so it was easier to ignore this game entirely. To an extent it suits us because it would have been disastrous with our injury situation to lose Gauthier or Bloodoff to suspension for a number of games. On the other hand, to in all probability lose our captain for the rest of the season due to a bad hit from an opponent and the opponent receiving no supplementary discipline is very disappointing. Edited to add : If these incidents had happened in a game between Fife and Dundee for example, them i'm sure hefty bans would have been given to players from both teams. Spot on...my thoughts exactly, it's the most corrupt league in sport anywhere, they would do anything to try ensure Sheffield are at Nottingham as they need there support to turn up to fill place.
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CraggyP
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Post by CraggyP on Mar 17, 2019 11:51:05 GMT
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think this game has been swept under the rug by DOPS to protect 1 or 2 Steelers players from bans. The last thing Tony Smith, owner of the Sheffield Steelers and chairman of the EIHL would want is Johnson and Armstrong(I think it was him who arguably boarded/checked Bloodoff from behind) facing bans when the Steelers are in a scrap to make the play-offs. They knew they could not ban Guathier or Bloodoff without banning 1 or both of the Steelers players so it was easier to ignore this game entirely. To an extent it suits us because it would have been disastrous with our injury situation to lose Gauthier or Bloodoff to suspension for a number of games. On the other hand, to in all probability lose our captain for the rest of the season due to a bad hit from an opponent and the opponent receiving no supplementary discipline is very disappointing. Edited to add : If these incidents had happened in a game between Fife and Dundee for example, them i'm sure hefty bans would have been given to players from both teams. 11.00 mins in You've got to love the DOPeS fair play here . A clear cut boarding imo but maybe even checking from behind where he clearly accelerates into the hit to add force ( which caused an injury - concussion ? who knows how long ) but !!! that's fair enough guv cos he's an essential Sheffield player and its only Fife Flyers and Sheffield really need to make the playoffs ….hmmm corruption
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Post by Marky on Mar 18, 2019 8:22:57 GMT
With no bans coming from this game and the Flyers submitting additional footage of the hit, with Dutes saying it's one of the worst he's seen, IMO this proves 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt that the EIHL and DOPS are corrupt to the core.
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watcher
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Post by watcher on Mar 18, 2019 9:51:03 GMT
With no bans coming from this game and the Flyers submitting additional footage of the hit, with Dutes saying it's one of the worst he's seen, IMO this proves 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt that the EIHL and DOPS are corrupt to the core. It is now open season. All hits are beyond review as a precedent has been set! Aye right - let's just see what happens in the next few games and which clubs are penalised
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Post by damonauldbarn on Mar 18, 2019 10:45:33 GMT
I don't know enough about the rules to say what deserves supplementary discipline and what doesn't.
It certainly looks worse than the Nikiforuk boarding incident that got him a game ban. The explanation talks about a high percentage of injury.
I can't see the Bloodoff incidents in the highlights.
The hit on Schaber certainly looks deliberate, to the back on a player that may not be expecting it and high. The only expected outcome was the one that happened. By hitting a player in these circumstances, a head injury is highly probable.
The league have made an emphasis on cutting out dangerous hits. Strange then that we have 3 players out with concussions from more than dubious hits (granted Crowder is just back). I think it is not just this incident but the perceived injustice of the Manchester game that probably makes this one so hard to take far less understand.
We maybe need to remember that Bloodoff and Gauts were involved negatively in this game too. It would be good to hear Steelerblades view for some balance.
As it is, we need to suck it up. My learning is that we compete in a 2 tier league, owned by and run for a few select teams. Rules will prevent the Flyers from being candid on this but would expect the FFP to be.
Stay pesky Flyers, we clearly annoy them.
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