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Dec 30, 2019 20:20:38 GMT
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Post by boschman76 on Dec 30, 2019 20:20:38 GMT
I may be wrong but I don't think you could sell the fia for housing I think it has to be kept as a sporting arena
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Post by timeclock on Dec 30, 2019 20:22:52 GMT
The FIA is not Tam Muirs to sell .
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Dec 30, 2019 20:32:49 GMT
Post by zamboni on Dec 30, 2019 20:32:49 GMT
I may be wrong but I don't think you could sell the fia for housing I think it has to be kept as a sporting arena This is correct and the Art Deco entrance is listed building
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Dec 30, 2019 20:34:12 GMT
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Post by boschman76 on Dec 30, 2019 20:34:12 GMT
I didn't say it was but even if it was I'm sure they got a grant some years ago from the lottery fund and one of the stipulations was it had to remain a arena for sport
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Dec 30, 2019 20:34:52 GMT
Post by waterboy on Dec 30, 2019 20:34:52 GMT
He is a successful business man who wouldn't put up with such poor results from a manager in any of his other companies.
So why has he accepted such poor performance from Dutes. He clearly plays to big a part in recruitment, he negotiates the contracts which is never a recipe for success when the money makes the hockey decisions. Dutes should have the budget to spend as he see fit. Is that why he is giving dutes so much slack?
I honestly think his pig headedness in how he thinks the league should be run and how others should do what he wants is driving him to make poor decisions. Muir always speaks about this club being a "Local club for local players" yet he has watched his coach destroy more local talent than anyone before him. He has also backed his coach with fulltime brits, young prospects, fulltime back up goalie and then watch as dutes who asked for these things chose to not use them. Why that didn't force a change this summer I have no idea.
British hockey has moved on (at least the EIHL has) and he has become a dinosaur in a digital age who wont let people around him makes the required changes to modernise the club. To be fair to dutes he spoke about that several years ago and since then the summer PR got a thousand times worse.
He has had offers to sell the club and won't do it. Only he knows why.
Dutes and Muir are doing this club nothing but harm now after keeping it going for a good few years. that seems to have put them in their own minds as can do no wrong. Crowds this season and outcry from fans is showing them otherwise. They cant wash this away as a few vocal fans or some only looking for fighting or that they don't understand hockey all those cards have been played and never stuck, so we are left with their poor performance and it has shown with on ice and off ice poor performance that is driving money out of the clubs bank.
The club wont change while he owns it that much we all can see. No FFP article will force muir's hand nor will nay social media noise. Fans/money not coming in will. My fear is he will close the doors and fold the lot rather than admit any fault or let someone else take over. He took from his dad the time has come for someone to take over from him.
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Dec 30, 2019 20:36:28 GMT
Post by waterboy on Dec 30, 2019 20:36:28 GMT
The FIA is not Tam Muirs to sell . It is. Not his alone but he is part owner. The rink is protected by the banks by loans out against it. it cant become houses.
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Dec 30, 2019 20:37:00 GMT
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Post by boschman76 on Dec 30, 2019 20:37:00 GMT
Thanks zamboni I thought there was some reason it couldn't be sold. You've been going long enough zamboni why don't we go back to basics ditch the coaches and go with a player coach
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Dec 30, 2019 20:44:24 GMT
Post by zamboni on Dec 30, 2019 20:44:24 GMT
As it happens I was asked about the situation at Fife today by an onlooker from overseas, here's my take (may as well cut and paste it) This old chestnut. No secret the Flyers would rather be anywhere else rather than the EIHL - the owners are disliked and the feeling is mutual - I'm not just paranoid but the brown end of the stick is handed to Fife way more than any other team. My inside source says that Muir is losing money, he is no Hepburn, his reserves don't allow him to be that stupid. Fife have always been a club where the imports are treated well. There is no revolving door, never has been going back way before the EIHL , if you are an import why wouldn't you want to play in Fife. So in recent years the team has been boosted with an additional signing, not a root and branch dismantling mid season like some teams can afford to do. The core of these teams have been competitive however, this season's bunch simply do not have the necessary balance and or don't have the one or two individuals to create the on ice spark when the chips are down or to get them into winning positions. No doubts you have been reading some of my posts on the numbers, horrific. There are historic issues with how the club run the business side, it's also very expensive and there are a lot of games. I have no idea why they can't change the business operation however as it's mostly common sense but this season we have the perfect storm for people to vent, even those from the outside looking in. Recruiting teams on an annual basis has no science behind it, I liken it to draft picking, more a crapshoot, at some point you are going to get it wrong. Fife got it wrong in most departments this year. Would it be a shock if they dropped from the EIHL? Yes if it was done in isolation. Are other teams in a similar situation in this league? No doubt. Is there a way in which they could create something better to suit their needs, possibly, I also don't doubt that discussions have been had. Dropping out to join the SNL however I just can't fathom. Muir would love nothing more than a team stacked with local guys, he aint getting that by playing in the EIHL. I'm waiting for something to happen but not just in Fife. your bit on recruitment don't agree with that a tad harsh two or three replacements could change this teams fortunes but as you say due to Fife honouring contracts it won't happen
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Dec 30, 2019 20:45:49 GMT
Post by waterboy on Dec 30, 2019 20:45:49 GMT
Thanks zamboni I thought there was some reason it couldn't be sold. You've been going long enough zamboni why don't we go back to basics ditch the coaches and go with a player coach The game is too fast for a player coach at least at the EIHL level. You would need a bench coach to run things. i would rather have one head coach with a playing assistant coach.
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Dec 30, 2019 20:47:12 GMT
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Post by boschman76 on Dec 30, 2019 20:47:12 GMT
Waterboy fans are going on about budget and td having his hands going against the south teams but that has always been the case. Even when we won in Hull under Morrison we were competing against teams with better budgets than ours the difference being the recruitment was players who could compete in that league now the style of hockey has changed but we are still recruiting players to play in that style which has gone and will never come back
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Dec 30, 2019 20:51:50 GMT
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Post by boschman76 on Dec 30, 2019 20:51:50 GMT
That is what I ment a player coach with a guy running the bench. Making two or three changes may help this team but if you bring in a couple of physical guys will they be allowed to play there normal game under this current coaching setup
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Dec 30, 2019 21:00:15 GMT
Post by waterboy on Dec 30, 2019 21:00:15 GMT
Waterboy fans are going on about budget and td having his hands going against the south teams but that has always been the case. Even when we won in Hull under Morrison we were competing against teams with better budgets than ours the difference being the recruitment was players who could compete in that league now the style of hockey has changed but we are still recruiting players to play in that style which has gone and will never come back Oh I know I said pretty much exactly that about five years ago. Dutes is playing the way he thinks Mo did all those years ago but he is a poor copy of the coach Mo was/is.
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Dec 30, 2019 21:22:04 GMT
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Post by boschman76 on Dec 30, 2019 21:22:04 GMT
Every team has similar types of players except us now every other coach in the league can't be wrong on how they build their team. If you look at the successful coaches in the league since we entered it they have all got a physical style of play about them lord keefe Nelson finnerty so know how to build teams to be successful in the league
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Post by rossco on Dec 30, 2019 21:29:44 GMT
Every team has similar types of players except us now every other coach in the league can't be wrong on how they build their team. If you look at the successful coaches in the league since we entered it they have all got a physical style of play about them lord keefe Nelson finnerty so know how to build teams to be successful in the league Your last two examples lessens your argument by some way.
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Dec 30, 2019 21:36:58 GMT
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Post by boschman76 on Dec 30, 2019 21:36:58 GMT
Why because finnerty was coach of the clan and Nelson coached panthers they have won in this league and been successful and know how to build competitive teams which is more than can be said about our coaches
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