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Post by finchy on Dec 30, 2019 23:45:42 GMT
The happy clappers are not clapping so loudly now for some reason! Not long ago the signings were the best thing since sliced Hovis and the team was being run by a couple of gods! Can you post some links to these comments please? Never read so much rubbish in my life. There is nothing wrong with people who desperately want the team to succeed and that try to back them. It’s better than smugly wishing them to fail so you can say ‘I told you so’. Why are you so keen to slag off fellow Flyers fans? Virtually every Flyers fan I speak to is massively discontented and it’s generally for the reasons discussed in this thread. The style of play is eye bleeding and that’s first and foremost what Flyers fans care about. The calibre of player is dropping and we have very few entertainers. We need to put this right before we look at the utterly abysmal match night experience and all the other things that annoy us because a watchable team is first priority. Todd is not a terrible coach but he needs to go as every club needs to freshen up every so often. He has persisted with this dreadful style for 3/4 years now and I’m amazed that Muir has allowed it on top of his compete reliance on imports regardless of performance levels and injuries. For the owner to say his priority is for young Fifers to have playing for Flyers as an aspiration and then watch talented guys sitting on the bench for years and then leaving is actually beyond my comprehension. Being told that we dont understand the game when showing displeasure at turgid uninspired rubbish is the icing on the cake. Even the die-hands - not ‘happy clappers’ are turning their backs and it’ll be hard to reverse that soon.
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Dec 31, 2019 8:43:43 GMT
Post by harlan on Dec 31, 2019 8:43:43 GMT
I'm not disputing your source but Muir is a successful business man why if as your source says he is losing money why not just pull the plug on it and save himself the aggravation Because believe it or not, Muir does genuinely care about the Flyers and he believes that the way he is doing things is the way to do it as he believes he has the best interests of the Flyers at heart. Yes he hates the EIHL and everything that it stands for but I genuinely believe that he thinks he can change the league from the inside. Thing is he is no longer one of the big fishes in the league as he was in the BNL and he is held more in contempt now than with respect and he is now damaging Flyers long respected name. I also dont think the FFP have gone far enough and asked really hard questions but then they never have as they have long treasured the special relationship they have had with Flyers and the access to the team that has given them. I believe that the FFP are scared that if they really started questioning the owners they would be denied access to the team but that shouldn't be the default position of a journalist. They should be holding the Flyers to account on everything, not paying them lip service. It's also the reason we will never get a fans forum with Muir as he would be held to huge scrutiny by the fans and would not be able to cope with this. i'm saying it would be hatred directed at him from fans but it would be very heated because he knows how passionate we are about this club but then so is he. I will keep on saying this. If Muir could persuade the NIHL clubs to travel to Scotland then he would jump at being in that league and I believe that he would be able to take some of the EIHL teams with him. Just look at how successful a move from EIHL to NIHL has been for Milton Keynes. That league is perfect for our club as it would secure our long term viability. Nothing else will as EIHl is too expensive and SNL is not enough
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Dec 31, 2019 10:11:44 GMT
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Post by waterboy on Dec 31, 2019 10:11:44 GMT
I'm not disputing your source but Muir is a successful business man why if as your source says he is losing money why not just pull the plug on it and save himself the aggravation Because believe it or not, Muir does genuinely care about the Flyers and he believes that the way he is doing things is the way to do it as he believes he has the best interests of the Flyers at heart. Yes he hates the EIHL and everything that it stands for but I genuinely believe that he thinks he can change the league from the inside. Thing is he is no longer one of the big fishes in the league as he was in the BNL and he is held more in contempt now than with respect and he is now damaging Flyers long respected name. I also dont think the FFP have gone far enough and asked really hard questions but then they never have as they have long treasured the special relationship they have had with Flyers and the access to the team that has given them. I believe that the FFP are scared that if they really started questioning the owners they would be denied access to the team but that shouldn't be the default position of a journalist. They should be holding the Flyers to account on everything, not paying them lip service. It's also the reason we will never get a fans forum with Muir as he would be held to huge scrutiny by the fans and would not be able to cope with this. i'm saying it would be hatred directed at him from fans but it would be very heated because he knows how passionate we are about this club but then so is he. I will keep on saying this. If Muir could persuade the NIHL clubs to travel to Scotland then he would jump at being in that league and I believe that he would be able to take some of the EIHL teams with him. Just look at how successful a move from EIHL to NIHL has been for Milton Keynes. That league is perfect for our club as it would secure our long term viability. Nothing else will as EIHl is too expensive and SNL is not enough Only issue I have with your post is about the EIHL being too expensive, we have excellent sponsors and if the right team is on the ice the rink would be 2400/2500 every week with more than a few sell out signs going up. That’s been proved already by flyers fans in this league. This season is the first time we have a full time Brit that isn’t local and needed housing. We had other Brits Wando Tommy Kyle Horne Steven Gunn etc who were all (in muir eyes) happy to just be flyers players. I would argue that our BNL teams were cost wise not that far off what we pay out now.
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Dec 31, 2019 10:36:04 GMT
Post by ronniemac on Dec 31, 2019 10:36:04 GMT
Speaking to a man in the know at the recent Dundee / Belfast fixture (no connection to Dundee) he informed me that only 3 teams are making money in the EIHL and prior to this season Flyers were consistently one of those. This year will be close to the bone unless changes are made throughout the clubs structure of that there is little doubt, whether you be listed as moaners or happy clappers the goal is clear, everybody needs to pull together to turn the ship around.
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Post by zamboni on Dec 31, 2019 10:57:59 GMT
Just watched highlights of an NIHL game, no disrespect to these teams but not great to watch The EIHL is where we want to be Need to pull together Fans will come if we win more and work hard and show bottle
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Dec 31, 2019 12:48:25 GMT
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Post by damonauldbarn on Dec 31, 2019 12:48:25 GMT
Reading through this and the FFP Ed's twitter I dont see moaners or happy clappers. I read messages from people who have the Flyers at heart. They may disagree on what needs to be done and in what order but everyone loves the sport and wants the very best for the Flyers.
The owners will be the very same. Possibly more so. I have no idea how much time and money they have invested but housing 14-15 folk brought from far and wide isn't cheap, or easy and that's before a skate hits the ice.
I am as frustrated as everyone else but the owners will not work with fans if all they face is a hard time.
Good that some of the issues that dog the club are coming out. The security firm's approach, the match night experience, social media, developing and increasing the fan base...... Much wouldn't need the owners to release a great deal of thier grip of the club to really put Kirkcaldy on the map as the UK's Hockey Toun.
If the owners could be persuaded to loosen this grip and open the doors. The position then changes greatly. We stop playing Fantasy Flyers where we name what we would do to actually doing it. Are there the skills and willing out there?
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Jan 1, 2020 17:38:01 GMT
Post by Marky on Jan 1, 2020 17:38:01 GMT
The FFP Editor on twitter has confirmed that he has asked the owners for an interview, but they are reluctant to give him one. Now I wonder why that is? They are just not interested anymore.
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Jan 1, 2020 19:14:18 GMT
Post by waterboy on Jan 1, 2020 19:14:18 GMT
The FFP Editor on twitter has confirmed that he has asked the owners for an interview, but they are reluctant to give him one. Now I wonder why that is? They are just not interested anymore. Where is this on twitter as i can't see anything like this on Allan's page?
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Jan 1, 2020 19:29:05 GMT
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Post by boschman76 on Jan 1, 2020 19:29:05 GMT
Does anyone else think this season we are appearing like a first season side that doesn't know what to expect from the league
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Jan 9, 2020 19:19:45 GMT
Post by andi renson on Jan 9, 2020 19:19:45 GMT
The FFP Editor on twitter has confirmed that he has asked the owners for an interview, but they are reluctant to give him one. Now I wonder why that is? They are just not interested anymore. Where is this on twitter as i can't see anything like this on Allan's page? No couldn’t find it either and no surprise no follow up report in today’s FFP. Also a bit late with the news that Flyers had failed in an attempt to land Pearce when Stars released him considering he played against us for Belfast before Christmas. This may not all be the FFPs fault, but as previously stated no difficult questions seem to have been asked by the Press reporters.
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Jan 9, 2020 22:02:32 GMT
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Jan 9, 2020 22:02:32 GMT
Where is this on twitter as i can't see anything like this on Allan's page? No couldn’t find it either and no surprise no follow up report in today’s FFP. Also a bit late with the news that Flyers had failed in an attempt to land Pearce when Stars released him considering he played against us for Belfast before Christmas. This may not all be the FFPs fault, but as previously stated no difficult questions seem to have been asked by the Press reporters. The Press is not a serious investigative paper..it is a rag full of twee stories about folk local rotary meetings and the editor boring everyone about the latest concert he had been too. Any sport story is basically a regurgitation of Todd's interview from the previous game. They really have no clout with the club at all. Ok for the odd player feature but don't expect anything earth shattering
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Jan 10, 2020 11:33:53 GMT
Post by Marky on Jan 10, 2020 11:33:53 GMT
The FFP Editor on twitter has confirmed that he has asked the owners for an interview, but they are reluctant to give him one. Now I wonder why that is? They are just not interested anymore. Where is this on twitter as i can't see anything like this on Allan's page? It is there somewhere. I'll have to see if I can find it.
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Jan 23, 2020 15:56:00 GMT
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Post by damonauldbarn on Jan 23, 2020 15:56:00 GMT
I live out with the FFP area. I take it 3 weeks on, still no update or progress?
This is one of those occasions where I would love to be wrong and it's just not on social media.
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Jan 24, 2020 10:37:47 GMT
Post by Marky on Jan 24, 2020 10:37:47 GMT
They are going one better than an interview, they are having an open Fan forum with the directors at the beginning of Feb. I found the tweet where the FFP Editor mentions asking the directors to sit down and discuss the issues.
FifeFreePressEd
@fifefreepressed · 30 Dec 2019
What happens next? We will ask directors to sit down with our sports ed and talk about their plans and the issues from attendances to local players. Their views are hugely important and, in my view, they could re-shape this debate with one interview.
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Post by andi renson on Jan 24, 2020 12:46:31 GMT
Don’t believe everything you read in the Press. The league table published in this week’s edition has us 6th in the league and has the Pride story twice despite the Editor patting himself on the back about the great edition that had been sent to print.
There has been little follow up in the FFP from the 30th December re the open Fan forum. The Press is a poor shadow of the paper it once was.
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