superpatsy
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Post by superpatsy on Apr 16, 2020 9:51:17 GMT
Why was Livingston captain? Do you know what goes on in the room? It’s not a fan popularity vote. How did a Brit lead in scoring? (Let’s be clear - goals). Because he wasn’t a big fan of defense. Pretty simple. They’ve also explained how no one was dumped - owners wouldn’t pull the trigger. I would ditch them both, times being tight why would you have two coaches anyway? Our overall record in the EIHL is poor with the few good seasons we've had, in my opinion, more the result of good luck than good planning, fluking a group of players with a bit of talent and spirit. Move on to this season and it's back to square one a poor team filled with poor players and poor coaches doing zip to change it, how was no one dumped, how did Livingston get to be our captain, how was a young brit our highest scoring defenceman having missed a huge chunk of games, how did our coach think we weren't far off the mark? Let's get a new face in and let them try to lift Flyers to new levels. He plays an offensive defenceman role which, in my opinion (granted we were awful this year), is shown by his +/-. Pretty simple.
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Post by stewartgibson on Apr 16, 2020 13:04:05 GMT
Why was Livingston captain? Do you know what goes on in the room? It’s not a fan popularity vote. How did a Brit lead in scoring? (Let’s be clear - goals). Because he wasn’t a big fan of defense. Pretty simple. They’ve also explained how no one was dumped - owners wouldn’t pull the trigger. I would ditch them both, times being tight why would you have two coaches anyway? Our overall record in the EIHL is poor with the few good seasons we've had, in my opinion, more the result of good luck than good planning, fluking a group of players with a bit of talent and spirit. Move on to this season and it's back to square one a poor team filled with poor players and poor coaches doing zip to change it, how was no one dumped, how did Livingston get to be our captain, how was a young brit our highest scoring defenceman having missed a huge chunk of games, how did our coach think we weren't far off the mark? Let's get a new face in and let them try to lift Flyers to new levels. in terms of being captain surely you must have something good about your game and go out and lead by example? Im no sure Livingston done any of that, infact if he gave me any sort of advice about being captain i wouldnt be able to take it serious. A captain who couldnt play on the penalty kill, couldnt hit, couldnt hit a barn door. If he was the loudest in the room and thats what made him captain then we have serious problems. Id go as far as saying Livingston is one of the worst players ive seen play for us in the elite league.
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Post by thebluewellies on Apr 16, 2020 14:12:36 GMT
And who signed him and thereafter made the appointment? Yet another fine bit of work TD! So frustrating that he's been given yet another chance, I thought last seasons efforts might be the final straw to get him out but clearly not.
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Post by waterboy on Apr 16, 2020 16:51:16 GMT
The owners have no desire at all to put any effort into looking for a new coach. It’s just a lazy decision that requires the least effort.
Don’t get why any fans expect anything better. The track record of the owners and coaching staff is there for all to see.
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Post by callingoutbs on Apr 16, 2020 19:38:23 GMT
callingoutbs Nobody can defend TD's record, he's had every Flyers season in the EIHL as Head Coach and went full circle to finish where he started .......rock bottom. NO OTHER team in the league would have kept him in a job a third of that time. We keep hearing that Flyers are a gate based club well it's time the owners realised that the gate is well and truly open and fans are exiting it in great numbers due to the fare served up by the coach ......FACT. I didn't defend his record. I defended the FACT he couldn't make any changes.
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Post by callingoutbs on Apr 16, 2020 19:39:12 GMT
Why was Livingston captain? Do you know what goes on in the room? It’s not a fan popularity vote. How did a Brit lead in scoring? (Let’s be clear - goals). Because he wasn’t a big fan of defense. Pretty simple. They’ve also explained how no one was dumped - owners wouldn’t pull the trigger. He plays an offensive defenceman role which, in my opinion (granted we were awful this year), is shown by his +/-. Pretty simple. So because he's an offensive d man he gets a pass on that? Not how hockey works unfortunately.
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Post by callingoutbs on Apr 16, 2020 19:41:04 GMT
Why was Livingston captain? Do you know what goes on in the room? It’s not a fan popularity vote. How did a Brit lead in scoring? (Let’s be clear - goals). Because he wasn’t a big fan of defense. Pretty simple. They’ve also explained how no one was dumped - owners wouldn’t pull the trigger. in terms of being captain surely you must have something good about your game and go out and lead by example? Im no sure Livingston done any of that, infact if he gave me any sort of advice about being captain i wouldnt be able to take it serious. A captain who couldnt play on the penalty kill, couldnt hit, couldnt hit a barn door. If he was the loudest in the room and thats what made him captain then we have serious problems. Id go as far as saying Livingston is one of the worst players ive seen play for us in the elite league. Possibly, but not a necessity. Some guys just don't pan out - obviously Livingston didn't. But the decision was made early - how are they supposed to know he would turn out that bad? Look at his resume. Sometimes it just doesn't click. Nothing to do about being the loudest. You really don't have a clue.
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Post by tackleberry on Apr 16, 2020 20:23:58 GMT
He plays an offensive defenceman role which, in my opinion (granted we were awful this year), is shown by his +/-. Pretty simple. So because he's an offensive d man he gets a pass on that? Not how hockey works unfortunately. He definitely got a pass with credit in my book. The guy is still learning, that was his first season in the top tier and for me he outshone all our import d men. With the right coaching his defensive game can be developed which will make him a better all round player......It’s just a pity that he will be playing elsewhere.
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superpatsy
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EIHL Team: Fife Flyers
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Post by superpatsy on Apr 16, 2020 20:36:25 GMT
He plays an offensive defenceman role which, in my opinion (granted we were awful this year), is shown by his +/-. Pretty simple. So because he's an offensive d man he gets a pass on that? Not how hockey works unfortunately. I never said that - I explained what you, for some absurd reason, made out to be a bad thing.
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Post by stewartgibson on Apr 17, 2020 2:42:42 GMT
in terms of being captain surely you must have something good about your game and go out and lead by example? Im no sure Livingston done any of that, infact if he gave me any sort of advice about being captain i wouldnt be able to take it serious. A captain who couldnt play on the penalty kill, couldnt hit, couldnt hit a barn door. If he was the loudest in the room and thats what made him captain then we have serious problems. Id go as far as saying Livingston is one of the worst players ive seen play for us in the elite league. Possibly, but not a necessity. Some guys just don't pan out - obviously Livingston didn't. But the decision was made early - how are they supposed to know he would turn out that bad? Look at his resume. Sometimes it just doesn't click. Nothing to do about being the loudest. You really don't have a clue. we’re literally near enough agreeing and you’re calling me out saying i dont have a clue? I dont get it
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Post by chasingthepuck on Apr 17, 2020 22:38:25 GMT
Craig carrigan announced tonight as returning to dundee
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Post by nm1 on Apr 18, 2020 16:45:16 GMT
callingoutbs Nobody can defend TD's record, he's had every Flyers season in the EIHL as Head Coach and went full circle to finish where he started .......rock bottom. NO OTHER team in the league would have kept him in a job a third of that time. We keep hearing that Flyers are a gate based club well it's time the owners realised that the gate is well and truly open and fans are exiting it in great numbers due to the fare served up by the coach ......FACT. I didn't defend his record. I defended the FACT he couldn't make any changes. Almost irrelevant about being allowed to make changes or not.....the team was so far off the mark in every area it was an embarrassment.
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Post by ronniemac on Apr 19, 2020 0:55:02 GMT
Apr 16, 2020 at 2:53am ronniemac said: callingoutbs
I didn't defend his record. I defended the FACT he couldn't make any changes.
My point is that the so called gate club could not make changes because the coaches team / tactics are driving the paying public away from the rink.....hence less income and no changes.....he should be gone no question along with his buddy.
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Post by chasingthepuck on Apr 19, 2020 12:58:31 GMT
And the point is Dundee have been in the league 1 year linger than us and have managed a top 4 f8nish in the league, clan have had 4 top 4 finishes and at least top 5 on 2 or 3 occasions, but us can't get above 6th no matter what we do, so is it poor tactics or poor recruitment or both
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Apr 19, 2020 14:41:18 GMT
And the point is Dundee have been in the league 1 year linger than us and have managed a top 4 f8nish in the league, clan have had 4 top 4 finishes and at least top 5 on 2 or 3 occasions, but us can't get above 6th no matter what we do, so is it poor tactics or poor recruitment or both Flyers have finished above Dundee 4 of the last 5 seasons (we won't know about this season) ..Dundee have failed to make the playoffs since Pacha became coach..how can you use Dundee as some team that recruits better
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