|
Post by boschman76 on Mar 21, 2023 12:10:53 GMT
I sound like a broken record Muir and wishart have both been around the FIA for a long time so they have both seen what can be achieved by putting the right product on the ice. As business men they must see the damage they are doing putting up with the cardboard cutouts and the amount of fans they have lost who are fed up working hard every week so they can afford to watch the flyers but they want to be entertained not bored out of there minds they can save money and watch Saturday night TV and bored at home instead. Fans will accept getting beat if the team works hard for sixty minutes but when players can't be bothered trying that's when the fans get resentful
|
|
|
Post by thebluewellies on Mar 21, 2023 12:26:59 GMT
I sound like a broken record Muir and wishart have both been around the FIA for a long time so they have both seen what can be achieved by putting the right product on the ice. As business men they must see the damage they are doing putting up with the cardboard cutouts and the amount of fans they have lost who are fed up working hard every week so they can afford to watch the flyers but they want to be entertained not bored out of there minds they can save money and watch Saturday night TV and bored at home instead. Fans will accept getting beat if the team works hard for sixty minutes but when players can't be bothered trying that's when the fans get resentful I agree with most of your post but I don’t think it’s fair to say that in both weekends games the team didn’t work hard. Just simply outplayed
|
|
|
Post by flyer1990 on Mar 21, 2023 12:29:26 GMT
I sound like a broken record Muir and wishart have both been around the FIA for a long time so they have both seen what can be achieved by putting the right product on the ice. As business men they must see the damage they are doing putting up with the cardboard cutouts and the amount of fans they have lost who are fed up working hard every week so they can afford to watch the flyers but they want to be entertained not bored out of there minds they can save money and watch Saturday night TV and bored at home instead. Fans will accept getting beat if the team works hard for sixty minutes but when players can't be bothered trying that's when the fans get resentful I agree with most of your post but I don’t think it’s fair to say that in both weekends games the team didn’t work hard. Just simply outplayed This. Effort is usually there just the recruitment and systems are brutal. Team isn't built with any purpose. We lack speed, physicality, leadership and goals just a case of we are getting found out by better teams.
|
|
|
Post by domi28 on Mar 21, 2023 12:46:16 GMT
I do indeed. It’s what causes the frustrations. I know it’s not the 90s anymore. I know the fife junior talent it’s what it once was. But this club should be able to attract top British talent with his history. Yet for the last 10 years we have let kids rot on the bench or leave for better ice time at rivals. I know we don’t have the raw British talent - but how could we even know when these guys are given 30 seconds ice time at the end of games. No one is sitting on the bench for 2 hours then able to join a game for one shift and make an impact. If we had pushed out brits more this year and ended up in this position, I’m sure people wouldn’t be happy - but at least it would feel like we are building toward something. Having 5-6 brits who can handle ice time on a 3rd/4th line give us depth we have been sorely lacking. Reece aside (and even then - they have benched him before for the same mistakes the imports make every week without punishment.) Would really like to know what some of the ex brits from the last 10 years honestly think about fifes coaching staff. And yea. I know the snl is terrible and light speed different to elite league - but there is are plenty of potential in teams down south. How will we ever know what the brits are capable of without playing them. Coaching and management has to change. I really will be out of words if we see some “exciting news” about returning imports next year. They have collectively proven this year they are amongst the worst teams in elite league history. Why keep any of them. You maybe think the SNL is terrible but the games this year have been more competitive and a better watch than the Flyers.
|
|
|
Post by Dirty Lyle on Mar 22, 2023 18:10:02 GMT
I do indeed. It’s what causes the frustrations. I know it’s not the 90s anymore. I know the fife junior talent it’s what it once was. But this club should be able to attract top British talent with his history. Yet for the last 10 years we have let kids rot on the bench or leave for better ice time at rivals. Trouble is ..that's inaccurate, what home grown players have left due to bench sitting and got decent ice time at another elite club...I honestly can't think of any. There is no one in our system just now that can even think about a shift at this level.
|
|
|
Post by Guest on Mar 22, 2023 19:31:35 GMT
I think with a wee bit of strategy Fife can play 4 line hockey with perhaps only needing a Brit from elsewhere or two, rest from Fife. We don't have to see them as world beaters but merely as playing a 4th line back up role not conceding and giving the other lines a rest. If we are expecting the next Robert Dowd we won't get that just now. But Reece has managed to do it to a degree of success he's certainly no worse than Bafaro. Scott Jamieson, Marty and Garry Simpson, Chad Smith, Liam Danskin, all boys who could have/can fulfill this role and the beauty is give them a go and you might just see one or two of them surprise you. Add in Scott Henderson and others and there are suddenly plenty options. But if we don't play them then there's not because they don't want to come here ie Reece Kelly. All of the above players had or have more talent than all of the boys who got a chance through necessity when flyers joined elite.
|
|
|
Post by joestoyanovich on Mar 22, 2023 19:54:25 GMT
We can talk about brits till the cows come home but until our coaches are changed we're all wasting our breath. They won't play brits, if Auston Matthews grew up in the Gallatown he'd probably be working as a sparky and playing for the Kestrels now as he'd spent three seasons with the Flyers, amassed a total of 16 mins of ice time and been called out by the coaches for numerous things.
TD has never given youth a chance and never will.
|
|
|
Post by Guest on Mar 23, 2023 9:35:42 GMT
Unless like last season they come from Canada. The effort put in to some of those boys last season who knows what might have been if the Brits over the years had the same.
|
|
|
Post by ekimniab on Mar 23, 2023 16:15:16 GMT
Hi all I am a new member of the forum and me and my wife just started following the flyers last October. We have partly enjoyed our season because we are new but also we have a sense of following our local(ish) team and have enjoyed most of what we have seen. I started with hockey back in the 80s in the back room of the Murrayfield Racers. To me the big problems are too many imports and what looks like bad coaching. We need to sign some SNL players and use them as a fourth line. Nobody would expect great things at first but surely if they don’t give up goals then it allows our other 3 lines to be fresher. Is there some reason we are not allowed to have SNL players doubling up ? Sundays game was so poor but we are not giving up.
|
|
|
Post by roryracer on Mar 23, 2023 16:18:27 GMT
Hi all I am a new member of the forum and me and my wife just started following the flyers last October. We have partly enjoyed our season because we are new but also we have a sense of following our local(ish) team and have enjoyed most of what we have seen. I started with hockey back in the 80s in the back room of the Murrayfield Racers. To me the big problems are too many imports and what looks like bad coaching. We need to sign some SNL players and use them as a fourth line. Nobody would expect great things at first but surely if they don’t give up goals then it allows our other 3 lines to be fresher. Is there some reason we are not allowed to have SNL players doubling up ? Sundays game was so poor but we are not giving up. We have 2 Brit players who are on 2 way contracts with Solway who are in the league above SNL, the NIHL North Division
|
|
|
Post by coloradoflyer01 on Mar 23, 2023 16:33:17 GMT
The reason snl buys not getting a chance is simple the coaches don't trust them never have never will, and it's been like that since the brits that were playing when we joined this league all stopped it moved on , make a mistake benched for weeks but if an import makes a mistake or doesn't try he gets back on next shift that would put you off right there
|
|
|
Post by Guest on Mar 25, 2023 0:34:22 GMT
The fact that folk on this board are actually taking about guys from the kestrels being played as a fourth line or on regular ****fs as a solution shows how absolutely clueless they are. Stick out a line of SNL players in the elite and they'd give up goals every shift. The SNL is absolutely miles off even the bottom end of the eihl.
And this idea of all the talent who could have made it leaving because of lack off ice time and cos Todd hates locals and getting shifts elsewhere is rubbish too. Not a single one of them has done that. They don't get ice time because they aren't good enough. End of.
It's not the 80s or 90s any more. The step up from junior or snl to the flyers is bigger than its ever been. Thats not a dig at the guys playing junior or SNL. But they arent looking to join a 3 / 7 /8 import league.
|
|
|
Post by tackleberry on Mar 25, 2023 2:26:42 GMT
The fact that folk on this board are actually taking about guys from the kestrels being played as a fourth line or on regular ****fs as a solution shows how absolutely clueless they are. Stick out a line of SNL players in the elite and they'd give up goals every shift. The SNL is absolutely miles off even the bottom end of the eihl. And this idea of all the talent who could have made it leaving because of lack off ice time and cos Todd hates locals and getting shifts elsewhere is rubbish too. Not a single one of them has done that. They don't get ice time because they aren't good enough. End of. It's not the 80s or 90s any more. The step up from junior or snl to the flyers is bigger than its ever been. Thats not a dig at the guys playing junior or SNL. But they arent looking to join a 3 / 7 /8 import league. Yes but Todd and the organisation has had a big part to play in that as they have failed miserably to put into place a pathway from junior level to SNL to Elite level. Perhaps if there was any interest shown at junior and SNL level we would be in a better place?
|
|
|
Post by zamboni on Mar 25, 2023 9:04:40 GMT
It’s all down to £ £ Craig Peacock , John Dolan , Barri and now Cochrane These guys were good are good enough and got regular shifts It’s attracting them to Fife also I would like to see peacock back or a Kieran Long Until we can fund top level Brits we will always be bottom half Good crowd at this game and that’s what the strategy has to be Give fans something to talk about
|
|
|
Post by Gist on Mar 25, 2023 9:08:46 GMT
The fact that folk on this board are actually taking about guys from the kestrels being played as a fourth line or on regular ****fs as a solution shows how absolutely clueless they are. Stick out a line of SNL players in the elite and they'd give up goals every shift. The SNL is absolutely miles off even the bottom end of the eihl. And this idea of all the talent who could have made it leaving because of lack off ice time and cos Todd hates locals and getting shifts elsewhere is rubbish too. Not a single one of them has done that. They don't get ice time because they aren't good enough. End of. It's not the 80s or 90s any more. The step up from junior or snl to the flyers is bigger than its ever been. Thats not a dig at the guys playing junior or SNL. But they arent looking to join a 3 / 7 /8 import league. So are you telling me there is no one in snl that has the ability to play limited shifts in a 4th line like Scott Jamieson, Chad Smith, Garry Simpson? Remember only talking about a couple if forwards out in with more experienced centre, maybe one d man like Marty Simpson, Liam Danskin again with more experienced partner? Reece came from Snl last season Kris Inglis at Dundee was direct from Snl.
|
|