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Post by joestoyanovich on Jan 20, 2013 15:55:35 GMT
When the music starts at Braehead i feel like shouting THROW THEM A FISH, thats all thats missing. lol ;D I know ! The first time I went to Braehead it was like being at a Glee Club meeting where occasionally an ice hockey match broke out. As far as I am concerned the further our match night experience is away from theirs the better.
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Post by finchy on Jan 20, 2013 16:00:59 GMT
Now we have his son interviewing his favourite /family sponsored player, his wife on Sky Sports EIHL show so i can see where real hockey fans get hacked off. Just from reading this forum I know you (ronniemac) are probably one of the more intelligent hockey people on here, but I think it's unfair to suggest the guy and his family aren't real hockey fans. Unless of course you know they are involved at the Flyers for there own personal gain? If I am reading it wrong I appologise in advance. I'm not answering for ronniemac - but a general point here. People need to familiarise themselves with the definition of 'volunteer'. Folk who are putting themselves forward to do work for the Flyers are not doing it because someone has a gun to their back, they're doing it because they 'volunteered' i.e they WANT to do it! As for all this 'could you do better?' nonsense- that is a poor argument when things are not being done correctly.
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Post by ronniemac on Jan 20, 2013 16:18:44 GMT
Zico, I am all for change and progression but i don't hold to people that have to be in your face for personal glory, we are not there to admire the DJ. I seem to have a problem with glory hunters and in that mold we have had a number of people who were absent from KIA for many years and when the BIG TIME comes back to the rink they amazingly re-appear and get involved and its the look at me syndrome all over again. I get suspicious when somebody makes a statement which was untrue then mysteriously happens a few weeks later, i don't know what happened to the long term dj ( Brian who also done the junior games most weekends ) but it wouldn't be hard to find out i know he didn't commentate but in my opinion we don't have the right person at the moment and no i don't want to do it or try to be better because it isn't my scene.
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Post by wally on Jan 20, 2013 16:54:58 GMT
why dont we just go without any music or announcements? oh, wait a minute, folk would still moan.
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Post by neebur on Jan 20, 2013 17:02:49 GMT
Let's put the shutout slip to bed eh? A simple slip of the tongue. Move on. Nothing to see here.
Volunteers - rather than have a pop at them why not look at how the club a) recruits them and b) manages them. In the second instance there is clear scope to improve and in doing that the whole match night would be a lot slicker. as for the DJ - you'll never please everyone with the music, the chat or the style. CAn't say it bothers me that much - the best nights remain when the fans get off their butts and make some noise, but that doesn't always happen.
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Post by zico on Jan 20, 2013 17:41:25 GMT
Finchy that's a fair point but if these guys don't volunteer then we won't have people to do these jobs.
Ronniemac, I don't know the DJ but if indeed what you say is true then you have every right to be suspicious, it was more the not real hockey fans part I disagreed with.
One thing I think most of us will agree on is that Fife Flyers as a professional organisation need to get a whole lot more professional if they want to progress. (thats a debate for another day)
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Post by ronniemac on Jan 20, 2013 22:54:29 GMT
By real hockey fans i mean people that go along year after year not go awoll for several seasons because there is no limelight then magically re-appear and get in your face with attitude when there is. There may be a reason Brian left but knowing him i don't think it was done voluntarilly.
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Post by Ironjaw on Jan 21, 2013 10:42:35 GMT
By real hockey fans i mean people that go along year after year not go awoll for several seasons because there is no limelight then magically re-appear and get in your face with attitude when there is. There may be a reason Brian left but knowing him i don't think it was done voluntarilly. they left cause they were asked to start paying. And if you think the returning fans over the last 2 years aren't true fans because they they stopped going during the brutal SNL years then your off your nut.
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Post by finchy on Jan 21, 2013 10:53:27 GMT
Finchy that's a fair point but if these guys don't volunteer then we won't have people to do these jobs. One thing I think most of us will agree on is that Fife Flyers as a professional organisation need to get a whole lot more professional if they want to progress. (thats a debate for another day) Actually Zico- it's not a debate for another day, it's the point I was making from the outset and you were one of the first to wade in with the 'if you think you can do better, volunteer yourself' argument, which is utterly puerile. The punters are entitled to expect that the club ensures that important jobs are carried out by folk capable of doing them. I would suggest when you look at the 'match night experience' and also things like the garbage that goes on some the 'official' club media sources then it's something the club should look at if they want to give the impression of being professional. You hear stories of folk offering help and being more or less ignored. A lot seem to think you just take what you get and be thankful but we're forever going to be stuck in our wee Fife time warp if we don't look to improve where possible all aspects of how the club operates.
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Post by watcher on Jan 21, 2013 11:00:32 GMT
Nothing like a forum to bring out the sanctimonious claptrap! There were moans when the new announcer took over and he clearly took heed of the comments and things improved. He's enthusiastic and trying to generate the same in the crowd on match nights. Have you never noticed how quiet we go when things are not going well during a game? Sometimes the banter is a bit OTT and he's made the occasional gaffe here and there but give the guy a break.
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Post by finchy on Jan 21, 2013 11:18:51 GMT
Nothing like a forum to bring out the sanctimonious claptrap! I take it you're not reporting a robbery this week then? The irony of folk who start off a post on a forum by making derogatory remarks about forums is fantastic. I'm not sure what you think sanctimonious means either but it's different to what I think.
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Post by kdd on Jan 21, 2013 11:34:26 GMT
There seems to be a wee bit off confusion about who is being talked about on here... I think the guy who made the "shutout gaffe" is Ali from Kingdom FM and he does the slapshot challenge and chuck the puck announcements from rink side. Then there is Dave(?) who is the announcer and now also the DJ from what you guys seem to be saying. Some of you seem to be talking like its the same person. Anyway, the shutout comment was stupid, but I think he's already had pelters for that and it wont be repeated I'd imagine. As for the general match night announcing and music at every dead puck - I don't mind it all, it's fairly par for the course and there's plenty time for the fans to make noise through out the game. Sure things could always be improved and the professionalism of the club can always be worked on, but I don't think its nearly as bad as what its being made out to be. Just don't get me started on the facilities though
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Post by jamestkirk on Jan 21, 2013 12:11:09 GMT
You see peeps you come out with all this nonsense re. Braehead fans and to be honest I don"t know why?
Many Braehead fans are ex Ayr and Paisley followers and do indeed know know their hockey as much as many Flyers fans - I'd argue more than some of the posters on here.
Of course Braehead have many new fans. That's why their average crowd is nearing 2500 this season - don't Flyers ever attract new fans or are they all just instant experts from the pram ;-)
And on another point, just because teams have volunteers doesn't mean they should not be adverse from criticism. Worst case scenario is a volunteer is useless at his job - does that mean nothing should be said?
All the teams should strive to have as 'professional' volunteers as possible!!
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Post by jamestkirk on Jan 21, 2013 12:16:30 GMT
When the music starts at Braehead i feel like shouting THROW THEM A FISH, thats all thats missing. lol ;D I know ! The first time I went to Braehead it was like being at a Glee Club meeting where occasionally an ice hockey match broke out. As far as I am concerned the further our match night experience is away from theirs the better. I would argue your match night experience hasn't changed in about 20 years - and that is not good IMHO.
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Post by jamestkirk on Jan 21, 2013 12:18:57 GMT
Zico, I am all for change and progression but i don't hold to people that have to be in your face for personal glory, we are not there to admire the DJ. I seem to have a problem with glory hunters and in that mold we have had a number of people who were absent from KIA for many years and when the BIG TIME comes back to the rink they amazingly re-appear and get involved and its the look at me syndrome all over again. I get suspicious when somebody makes a statement which was untrue then mysteriously happens a few weeks later, i don't know what happened to the long term dj ( Brian who also done the junior games most weekends ) but it wouldn't be hard to find out i know he didn't commentate but in my opinion we don't have the right person at the moment and no i don't want to do it or try to be better because it isn't my scene. How can you be a glory hunter when the reality is that for many people the standard of hockey was not palatable when it was amateur hockey and now that the standard is better and is professional then these people come back. Why should anyone have a problem with that?
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