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Post by Dirkster23 on Mar 12, 2013 22:04:55 GMT
equipment prices will be scary , each player goes through three or four pairs of skates at £600 a pair, stick budget is around the 25k mark top imports are apparently on six figures canadian dollars, what that works out to be in pounds i dont know probably 50k?= 1k a week? There's something wrong if all the players are going through 3-4 pairs of skates a season!
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Post by ferryflyer on Mar 12, 2013 22:36:07 GMT
I love the going to watch the flyers, the directors are running there business, the running costs the profit and loss accounts are none of our business, only my opinion
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Post by jonathan on Mar 12, 2013 22:43:49 GMT
I love the going to watch the flyers, the directors are running there business, the running costs the profit and loss accounts are none of our business, only my opinion Probably best you don't return to this specific thread then. It'll only get you down...
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Post by ferryflyer on Mar 12, 2013 23:40:11 GMT
Probably right leave it to the experts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 0:13:11 GMT
A few points to help; - Is the import salary including tax and NI?
- I think £1000 per week is too high for a top import
You can pretty much double what you think someone costs to get what they really cost once everything is factored in. £1000 is maybe to high for us but not for other teams in the league that's for sure!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 0:15:54 GMT
equipment prices will be scary , each player goes through three or four pairs of skates at £600 a pair, stick budget is around the 25k mark top imports are apparently on six figures canadian dollars, what that works out to be in pounds i dont know probably 50k?= 1k a week? There's something wrong if all the players are going through 3-4 pairs of skates a season! 3 pairs easy. They are not as robust as they used to be, they are designed to be light weight above anything nowadays, that's why you get so many people upset when they buy top of the range skates and don't get Bauer Supreme 3k,4k longevity.
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Post by tam on Mar 13, 2013 7:32:55 GMT
If they get 50k a year it is quite obviously not 1k since the season is no where near the full year. remember the salaries will take into account living in the off season too, its not as if they go get jobs from april to august, also some are apparently on two year deals so they will be paid all summer
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Post by Ironjaw on Mar 13, 2013 8:03:35 GMT
Most of them send half their wage home to live off during the summer because they don't get paid during the summer. Like u say tho if they're on 2 year deals might be different.
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Post by flyer007 on Mar 13, 2013 8:28:08 GMT
They dont get paid in the offseason Bob as far as Im aware.
Leggy works as a labourer in the summer, Keefer runs his fitness camps and Ceman worked as a teacher,
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Post by Dirkster23 on Mar 13, 2013 9:00:50 GMT
There's something wrong if all the players are going through 3-4 pairs of skates a season! 3 pairs easy. They are not as robust as they used to be, they are designed to be light weight above anything nowadays, that's why you get so many people upset when they buy top of the range skates and don't get Bauer Supreme 3k,4k longevity. If the Flyers are paying over £25k a season for skates i'll be amazed.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Mar 13, 2013 9:23:03 GMT
can't see the guys using more than 1 or 2 pairs of skates a season
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Post by daviejojo on Mar 13, 2013 9:58:23 GMT
After a few conversations etc, I have added in some costs that I originally neglected to included, only small things like Sticks, Skates and Bus costs ;-) That said, I have also adjusted the wages, and accommodation costs, as I have been told they were too high, and didn't reflect what was likely. With that in mind, a new spreadsheet is attached. It shows a negative cost delta of around £2.5K a week which would need plugged from sponsorship etc. Can I just add though, some folks I think have taken this a wee bit too seriously, I am not suggesting these numbers are real, I am not suggesting this is what income and expense Fife Flyers actually has today. I am told I don't often think about what I put on the Forum at times, and just waffle on about 11 imports, with no substance to thinking if the club can, or cannot afford them, hence I spent an hour or two in the evenings to try and see if I could come up with anything that looked half realistic. For what it's worth, I believe we can go with 11, but that is very much my own opinion, and I'm not suggesting anyone else agrees, which is why I have looked at the this from a very high level cost perspective. I have taken our crowds into consideration, and obtained some costs for equipment, hotels and travel etc from websites. So whilst I am not saying these costs are an accurate reflection of Fife Flyers itself, I don't think the costs are a million miles off the mark of reality, maybe within say 10-20% or something, which hopefully at least gives the conversation flow a lit bit of credibility. From what I've heard from various people, Simmsey included, running an Elite League club various from anything upwards of £250K, up to one occasion, nearer the £1Million per season, and with my costs coming in around the £500K mark, I suppose we're roughly in the middle somewhere. That said, the main purpose of this, is really to generate conversation on how expensive it can actually be to run a club, it's not as simple as just saying we need 11 imports and 9 EIHL brits, that, clearly, wouldn't be cost effective, but I'm hoping this at least shows that I have put some thought behind my theories. Let the bashing continue ;D Attachments:
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Post by sparkymark75 on Mar 13, 2013 12:34:14 GMT
A few points to help; - Is the import salary including tax and NI?
- I think £1000 per week is too high for a top import
You can pretty much double what you think someone costs to get what they really cost once everything is factored in. £1000 is maybe to high for us but not for other teams in the league that's for sure! The ECHL only pays $500-$600 a week, so it's very unlikley they are on £1000pw over here. Simmsey said that Colt King would have been the highest paid player but even he was only just touching a grand a week (the deal never happened).
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Post by coloradoflyer on Mar 13, 2013 12:41:07 GMT
i would think our guys would be on £500-800 a week may be slightly more
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Post by waterboy on Mar 13, 2013 14:15:58 GMT
I would have thought only the Pitton boys were on top money due to their AHL experience possibly Caister and Keller but most of our guys are mid 20's with not a ton of experience. I would think guys like ling would be on the top money. I actually think guys like Casey Hogger will get more if they come back because other clubs will be offering them more cash than they have been on this year. Could be totally wrong of course!
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