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Post by waterboy on Aug 5, 2015 17:19:38 GMT
Welcome to the flyers forum Jimmer.
Have seen a lot of your sponsors on twitter getting the photos taken with the playoff trophy over the summer. A nice PR example of keeping your clubs success at the forefront of everybody's mind.
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Post by amazepux on Aug 5, 2015 20:05:52 GMT
i dont think being 'behind the times' is always a negative..indeed many 'forward thinking' clubs have bankrupt themselves trying to keep up with the 'Jones'. Social Media may be to some 'the Holy Grail' of communication thesedays however it is an impersonal approach. Some folk seem to want us tobe a free spending club at any expense. Leave the running of the club to the experts whove been there done it and watched others bugger it up! You got any examples of the club excelling at the 'personal approach' then? Serious question! Have you missed the stuff about people withdrawing season ticket money (me and a few friends included) because they were treated so shabbily? I also have to confess I was completely unaware that investing in a club twitter and facebook account was such an expensive business.... Where does 'free spending' come into all of this? People are basically saying you can EASILY improve the potential of the club (thus creating more income, not losing it!!) by doing some incredibly simple things properly, and perhaps not just acceptong that the 'in with the bricks' inner clique are fit for purpose. If you think just because we've been here a long time that we need to sit back and accept those that run the club are 'experts' and cant improve then I think that is ridiculous, and a forum is exactly where these things should be debated!! Why do you think the Directors now employ Allan and Kirsty Longmuir? It's because they require time and 'expertise' that they dont have themselves. They just need to look at other areas they clearly dont think are important. If you think social media isnt important in 2015 you are misjudging things badly. I think social media has a place certainly but does take away a bit from the family atmosphere..tbere are many 'followers' who rarely if ever step into the rink. It always amazes me how many experts there are on here..they assume that the mgt want to make the Flyers an NHL type arena team..maybe in reality they are content to try and compete at the current level and safeguard hockey in Fife. It isnt always about the $$$ imo as contrary to common held views it doesnt make the world go round imo
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Post by finchy on Aug 6, 2015 0:12:18 GMT
You got any examples of the club excelling at the 'personal approach' then? Serious question! Have you missed the stuff about people withdrawing season ticket money (me and a few friends included) because they were treated so shabbily? I also have to confess I was completely unaware that investing in a club twitter and facebook account was such an expensive business.... Where does 'free spending' come into all of this? People are basically saying you can EASILY improve the potential of the club (thus creating more income, not losing it!!) by doing some incredibly simple things properly, and perhaps not just acceptong that the 'in with the bricks' inner clique are fit for purpose. If you think just because we've been here a long time that we need to sit back and accept those that run the club are 'experts' and cant improve then I think that is ridiculous, and a forum is exactly where these things should be debated!! Why do you think the Directors now employ Allan and Kirsty Longmuir? It's because they require time and 'expertise' that they dont have themselves. They just need to look at other areas they clearly dont think are important. If you think social media isnt important in 2015 you are misjudging things badly. I think social media has a place certainly but does take away a bit from the family atmosphere..tbere are many 'followers' who rarely if ever step into the rink. It always amazes me how many experts there are on here..they assume that the mgt want to make the Flyers an NHL type arena team..maybe in reality they are content to try and compete at the current level and safeguard hockey in Fife. It isnt always about the $$$ imo as contrary to common held views it doesnt make the world go round imo Social media takes away from a family atmosphere? Does it? If used properly it should help people feel connected to the club. As for the other stuff, I know very few people who 'assume' what you're claiming. The old 'everyone thinks they're an expert' line is a poor argument- I'm sure you've got more than that in your locker. It's just a way of saying that other people's strong opinions don't tie in with your equally strong opinions.
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Post by jaymac on Aug 6, 2015 1:17:11 GMT
Its very interesting reading Allan's responses, and they're hugely welcome to the forums. I think the primary issue is an obvious one. The way Flyers is being run behind the scenes may be a slick, efficient and functioning professional outfit. But we as fans cannot see behind the scenes. Which is why we rely on the power of social media. And it's a shared feeling (at least on this forum at the very least) that the social media on show, is far from good. Fans will always debate on signings, lack of signings and the logic of signings, regardless of which sport it is, and Allan is 100% correct in saying, if Todd and Danny both feel the likes of Scoony are good enough for the short shifts, then we as fans have the right to bemoan that, but ultimately, we have no say in the matter. Is that a lack of professionalism from the club? - Probably not. It becomes an opinion of judgement really. I think where professionalism did obviously fail was calling out names over facebook. That for me was an error. I've not went through the process of getting a season ticket yet because I'm living in Dundee, but, that put me off considering it for next year (presuming i remember!) I think the efforts off the ice are probably severely under-appreciated because quite frankly, we don't see what is happening. And whether or not Flyers need to be a little more transparent with such things could bring about a lot of good feeling among the supporters. Social Media and PR is definitely the element of the Company that needs to improve. I'd quite happily put my name into the hat for the right price! (Free Tickets? )
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Post by jamie1811 on Aug 6, 2015 2:20:34 GMT
This off season has felt like a total shambles from the perspective of most fans myself included. The social media sides of the organisation has felt very much amature and childish! However as well as being a Flyers fan I'm also a Dunfermline fan and my feelings towards that team is the complete opposite. There is a lot the flyers could learn from the approach they're taking. Whilst I appreciate there is a slight difference between the two the basic approach and principal could be applied. For example before players were being announced as been signed the official Dunfermline snapchat would have sneak peaks at contract signings etc which has been a huge hit it is a personal touch for the fan and makes you feel involved in the whole process, another fantastic approach has been regular board updates where they outline and answer general queries that have been rife throughout the forums and general gossip. Pars fans were in the exact same boat just a few years ago where we were left in the dark and didn't know what was going on. Since the club becoming fan owned and run it has totally changed (while I'm not suggesting this for the flyers) surely if there was say a select few Flyers Fans selected to represent the fans interest in the boardroom this could seriously go to help bridge the gap as Margaret Ross was at Dunfermline. The childish and amature feel of the flyers social media and general fan interaction could be totally transformed into a more professional outfit where the fans once again feel connected to the club that they follow so loyally!
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Post by ckbell63 on Aug 6, 2015 6:37:52 GMT
My daughter was one that was mentioned on Facebook re season ticket. She was not happy at all. The poor way the club has conducted itself recently put her off. I considered a season ticket but decided against it when the head coach was announced. If the team struggles early on I feel protests will go into overdrive.
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Post by amazepux on Aug 6, 2015 8:15:07 GMT
I think social media has a place certainly but does take away a bit from the family atmosphere..tbere are many 'followers' who rarely if ever step into the rink. It always amazes me how many experts there are on here..they assume that the mgt want to make the Flyers an NHL type arena team..maybe in reality they are content to try and compete at the current level and safeguard hockey in Fife. It isnt always about the $$$ imo as contrary to common held views it doesnt make the world go round imo Social media takes away from a family atmosphere? Does it? If used properly it should help people feel connected to the club. As for the other stuff, I know very few people who 'assume' what you're claiming. The old 'everyone thinks they're an expert' line is a poor argument- I'm sure you've got more than that in your locker. It's just a way of saying that other people's strong opinions don't tie in with your equally strong opinions. Finchy youre last comment underlines my point about people with strong beliefs and opinions on how any club should be run..every club has differing concerns to an extent..sponsorship type/frequency/catchment area/local population/age and adequacy of facility and associated costs of improvement/ cost and quality of staff/ player costs and attraction of club. Flyers strength lies in its past links to local community which is why getting Ross back and hopefully he will be able to visit local charities and give the kids a bit of cheer when the Flyers show up. Social Media is okay for wee updates now and then I agree but is overrated imo. Where would the club and great work theyve done be without the hunners of volunteers whove given there time so a team can be put on the ice and we can have fun on a Saturday night.
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Post by perthfifeflyer on Aug 6, 2015 8:17:26 GMT
I'm not sure Ross will be back to the extent he was before he left. He's still full time with Saints as far as I'm aware.
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Post by drwho on Aug 6, 2015 8:27:47 GMT
I'm not sure Ross will be back to the extent he was before he left. He's still full time with Saints as far as I'm aware. Well. He needs to be. And quick. What has come after ross is just trash to be perfectly honest.
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Post by heggig on Aug 6, 2015 9:12:42 GMT
Amazepux, if social media is overated then why do clubs and organisations far bigger or smaller than the Flyers spend so much time in using it. Some will sink a lot of capital in to social media as it advertises so widely yet cheaply and keeps fans feeling involved and wanted. It also reaches a far wider audience than old media can which will keep sponsors interested. Social media also isn't just Facebook and Twitter. There are dozens of platforms that can be used effectively for the above reasons. It really is an invaluable resource and I can't help but feel that you may be an older person who hasn't grown up with the internet as the current generation have so will not understand it. You just have to Google search "Why is social media so important" to find out what why we can't benefit from an active social media presence. It's an electronic world and the Flyers can't be left behind.
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Post by cl24 on Aug 6, 2015 10:25:28 GMT
The video that was posted a few days ago on YouTube was really good quality. A lot of effort must have went into that with all the ice-level cameras and editing that would be involved. It seems a bit too much effort to just post it on Facebook once. They should post that on Twitter and Facebook every few days or so. The likes of the Steelers have bombarded us with their promo video (and rightly so) to make sure everyone sees it.
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Post by nm1 on Aug 6, 2015 10:32:17 GMT
Social media IS the reason for negativity growing, ie we dont have much and the limited amount we do have is not really up with the times. So far Ross coming back is just words, not seen any evidence of it so far. I certainly feel taken for granted, cut and paste comments in ffp is all we've heard, not good enough. Combine that with Nickerson leaving and maybe no enforcer this year, Todd and Danny back, poor links with KIHC and you have a perfect storm. And if this continues and we're not good on the ice people will vote with their feet......
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Post by waterboy on Aug 6, 2015 11:20:40 GMT
Hate to think how negative the fans will be if we are poor on the ice in the first month, can't imagine folk will put up with it for any length of time.
The backlash to a poor start on social media will be intense, wonder if whoever deletes negative comments on facebook will be able to keep up?
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Post by langtouner on Aug 6, 2015 11:22:47 GMT
i dont think being 'behind the times' is always a negative..indeed many 'forward thinking' clubs have bankrupt themselves trying to keep up with the 'Jones'. Social Media may be to some 'the Holy Grail' of communication thesedays however it is an impersonal approach. Some folk seem to want us tobe a free spending club at any expense. Leave the running of the club to the experts whove been there done it and watched others bugger it up! You got any examples of the club excelling at the 'personal approach' then? Serious question! Have you missed the stuff about people withdrawing season ticket money (me and a few friends included) because they were treated so shabbily? I also have to confess I was completely unaware that investing in a club twitter and facebook account was such an expensive business.... Where does 'free spending' come into all of this? People are basically saying you can EASILY improve the potential of the club (thus creating more income, not losing it!!) by doing some incredibly simple things properly, and perhaps not just acceptong that the 'in with the bricks' inner clique are fit for purpose. If you think just because we've been here a long time that we need to sit back and accept those that run the club are 'experts' and cant improve then I think that is ridiculous, and a forum is exactly where these things should be debated!! Why do you think the Directors now employ Allan and Kirsty Longmuir? It's because they require time and 'expertise' that they dont have themselves. They just need to look at other areas they clearly dont think are important. If you think social media isnt important in 2015 you are misjudging things badly. Finchy, we agree on something! Last season our family season ticket was over £1,000. My golf club membership is £400. At renewal the golf club writes to me at least twice reminding me to pay and at the same time telling me what's been done to the course during the winter etc. if I had a business with a customer who paid me over £1000, cash in advance, I'd be writing to them personally, probably even phoning them to encourage them and giving them reasons to renew. I wouldn't be putting inane Facebook posts treating me like a child. I wonder how much ST revenue the club generated last year and how it compares to commercial sponsorship. They have a commercial manager but apparently no one dedicated purely to ST holders. How about some additional benefits like an off season update or an invitation to attend a training session. The club did almost nothing to try and encourage us to renew so we didn't. BTW do you still think Todd's going to sign a Nickerson replacement?
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Post by finchy on Aug 6, 2015 11:57:29 GMT
No idea- dont think thats what we were debating previously. All I said was that Dutes had acknowledged several times how good a job Nickerson had done, and only he knows whether he likes that type of player or not.
My guess is that they have tried to sign a similar player already and failed. Whether they still manage, I have no idea. Again personally, like most folk, I think we badly need one.
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