charlieconway96
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Post by charlieconway96 on Aug 3, 2015 12:39:11 GMT
Hi All
Was just mulling over a point made by Allan on another thread about our club having the 5th highest average attendance in the league.....Am I right to assume we take a bigger gate than Coventry?
From what I've heard I'm sure someone pointed out Coventry average crowds of around 1,700... hopefully one of the stat police on this forum will be able to correct me.
If so.... can anyone tell me who or what organisation own the Blaze? For a club with a relatively similar fan base they seem to achieve a lot more both on the ice and with player recruitment.
They have far superior Brits and their recruitment drive this year looks particularly impressive.
I wont accept the excuse that they are a more established club at Elite level, this excuse would have been applicable two or three years ago.
If someone can tell me they have an owner that's cash rich or their sponsorship deals vastly exceed our own then I will happily accept that as a relevant reason for their success compared to our own.
Again this is not a criticism of our owners, I'm just trying to gauge how a club of similar stature can be successful in this league and perhaps we could replicate such a model instead of tussling against Edinburgh or Dundee for 8th place each year.
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Post by amazepux on Aug 3, 2015 13:35:36 GMT
Hi All
Was just mulling over a point made by Allan on another thread about our club having the 5th highest average attendance in the league.....Am I right to assume we take a bigger gate than Coventry?
From what I've heard I'm sure someone pointed out Coventry average crowds of around 1,700... hopefully one of the stat police on this forum will be able to correct me.
If so.... can anyone tell me who or what organisation own the Blaze? For a club with a relatively similar fan base they seem to achieve a lot more both on the ice and with player recruitment.
They have far superior Brits and their recruitment drive this year looks particularly impressive.
I wont accept the excuse that they are a more established club at Elite level, this excuse would have been applicable two or three years ago.
If someone can tell me they have an owner that's cash rich or their sponsorship deals vastly exceed our own then I will happily accept that as a relevant reason for their success compared to our own.
Again this is not a criticism of our owners, I'm just trying to gauge how a club of similar stature can be successful in this league and perhaps we could replicate such a model instead of tussling against Edinburgh or Dundee for 8th place each year. Good points raised here...dunno if the answer could lie in the sponsorship level disparity but i think that it may be due to how risk adverse the mgts are. Im not saying Flyers mgt should change theyre strategy as they seem to have a history of prudent stewardship of the club over many many years (many clubs havent). Maybe it isnt about solely money and winning to them. Maybe its more about people sport and community.
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Post by redtussell44 on Aug 3, 2015 13:44:13 GMT
One word. Professionalism. That's what's separates Coventry from the flyers. Infact, make that most teams in the league.
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Post by riverrat on Aug 3, 2015 17:03:43 GMT
They finished 4 points ahead of us due to a good late run during which we struggled for form and our early season results particularly against them. Hardly a massive gulf. Their Brits didn't spend years marking time in a league of SNL quality. They've always has connections to GB development players through Thompson and Russell. Despite some people's insistence not to accept it we are a 4th year pro team paying for being in the wilderness .Development will take time but it has to come. If it doesn't we'll die.
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Post by sparkymark75 on Aug 3, 2015 17:16:53 GMT
Hi All
Was just mulling over a point made by Allan on another thread about our club having the 5th highest average attendance in the league.....Am I right to assume we take a bigger gate than Coventry?
From what I've heard I'm sure someone pointed out Coventry average crowds of around 1,700... hopefully one of the stat police on this forum will be able to correct me.
If so.... can anyone tell me who or what organisation own the Blaze? For a club with a relatively similar fan base they seem to achieve a lot more both on the ice and with player recruitment.
They have far superior Brits and their recruitment drive this year looks particularly impressive.
I wont accept the excuse that they are a more established club at Elite level, this excuse would have been applicable two or three years ago.
If someone can tell me they have an owner that's cash rich or their sponsorship deals vastly exceed our own then I will happily accept that as a relevant reason for their success compared to our own.
Again this is not a criticism of our owners, I'm just trying to gauge how a club of similar stature can be successful in this league and perhaps we could replicate such a model instead of tussling against Edinburgh or Dundee for 8th place each year. Attendances at the end of the season were put in here: flyersforum.co.uk/post/45069/thread
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grm
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Post by grm on Aug 3, 2015 17:50:49 GMT
I raised a similar post at end of last season The primary reasons imo are 1. Professionalism on and off the ice 2. Quality of sponsorship. - our biggest is the bay hotel but DIAGEO whose largest bottling plant in world is in leven sponsor the Giants but not us !!! 3. Quality of Brits. - when we were successful under mo we had Steven and Derek king, john haig, Kyle Horne. etc. compare those to current Brits
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drwho
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EIHL Team: Fife Flyers
NHL Team: Philadelphia Flyers
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Post by drwho on Aug 3, 2015 21:38:03 GMT
Sponsorship Blaze have always been well supported by sponsors. In years gone by there shirts were awful due to the amount of sponsorship they had on there shirts
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Post by waterboy on Aug 3, 2015 21:53:41 GMT
I raised a similar post at end of last season The primary reasons imo are 1. Professionalism on and off the ice 2. Quality of sponsorship. - our biggest is the bay hotel but DIAGEO whose largest bottling plant in world is in leven sponsor the Giants but not us !!! 3. Quality of Brits. - when we were successful under mo we had Steven and Derek king, john haig, Kyle Horne. etc. compare those to current Brits The Giants are sponsored by Diageo Northern Ireland. Not Diageo as a whole, the Leven plant is nothing to do with that part of the company. Still poor that such a large company in the local area are not on board though.
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Mike
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Post by Mike on Aug 4, 2015 5:48:46 GMT
Coventry have also had recent financial troubles, a "save the blaze" campaign where fans were donating money to stop them going under, and phoenixed themselves and set up a new operating company (allegedly to avoid a bunch of debt).
Maybe spending the amount they spend on players isn't that great an idea.
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Post by federov91 on Aug 4, 2015 13:08:56 GMT
Great topic, while on paper with Fife finishing 1 point and 4 points behind Coventry in the league in the last 2 years, we look like we close. However, once we take out the Conference factor, you get a more accurate picture of both clubs, which really highlights how much Coventry are penalised by the system. Having a quick look this morning at both Fife's and Coventry's results this morning. I thought it would be better to compare in a fairer way by taking the first 2 home and 2 away matchess against each EIHL team for the last 2 seasons. It does show Coventry quite a bit ahead in comparison but whether this is because of overspending or sponsorship, i'm not sure. Here it is for anyone interested.
2013/14 Fife Coventry W OTL SOL L Pts % W OTL SOL L Pts % Erdhart Home 1 1 2 6 25% 2 6 25% Away 3 1 6 35% 3 1 4 43.75%
Gardiner Home 5 3 62.50% 8 2 80% Away 2 6 25.00% 3 2 1 4 45%
Elite Total 11 2 2 21 36.11% 16 3 1 16 50% 2014/15 Fife Coventry W OTL SOL L Pts % W OTL SOL L Pts % Erdhart Home 1 2 2 5 15% 3 1 4 43.75% Away 3 7 30% 1 7 6.25%
Gardiner Home 7 1 87.50% 9 1 90% Away 3 1 4 43.75% 4 1 1 4 50%
Elite Total 14 3 2 17 45.83% 16 3 1 16 50%
Total 25 5 4 38 41% 32 6 2 32 50%
Might be 15 minutes of my life, i'll never get back! but I think the fact that Coventry have 34 out of 40 home points against Gardiner Teams, suggest there is still a gap for us to close.
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Post by amazepux on Aug 4, 2015 16:52:14 GMT
I think the conference system actually short-changes us fans. if we were pitted against arena teams more often then I think mgt would be forced into signing higher quality (on paper anyway). We are being dragged down performance wise rather than up. Doing away with the conference system would be better for Flyers imo..problem is financially it could mean curtains for Caps and Stars.
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Post by allan1745 on Aug 5, 2015 8:23:13 GMT
One common denominator in this thread is that it's claimed that Flyers are possibly the least professional club in the league. What do you class as being professional? Is it professional to run up a huge bill signing players, close a company down at the end of a season and then rise from the ashes under a different company, leaving a trail of debt? How many times are clubs going to get away with that? Maybe Flyers do get things wrong at times but one thing is sure, they are stable.
Flyers have been in the EIHL for four seasons and in that time have introduced various things to improve the running of the club. A new ticketing system that many moaned about at the time, yet is now proving to be an asset. Season tickets are on sale prior to the end of the season, something that never happened before, yet still people complain when they can't get one on 1st August, despite reminders that the cut-off date is 31st July.
Sponsorship is rising every year yet people still don't think they are doing enough. I read Diagio mentioned but don't you think they have tried to get involved with them?
The club makes mistakes, name one that doesn't, but they are trying to improve things. Coventry's catchment area is massive compared to Flyers and they will always have that advantage but it doesn't mean Flyers can't compete. They are still learning at this level and they will keep learning and they will get there. One thing I can say is that Fife Flyers will always be here.
Apologies for the rant
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Post by jambitink on Aug 5, 2015 9:02:51 GMT
One common denominator in this thread is that it's claimed that Flyers are possibly the least professional club in the league. What do you class as being professional? Is it professional to run up a huge bill signing players, close a company down at the end of a season and then rise from the ashes under a different company, leaving a trail of debt? How many times are clubs going to get away with that? Maybe Flyers do get things wrong at times but one thing is sure, they are stable. Flyers have been in the EIHL for four seasons and in that time have introduced various things to improve the running of the club. A new ticketing system that many moaned about at the time, yet is now proving to be an asset. Season tickets are on sale prior to the end of the season, something that never happened before, yet still people complain when they can't get one on 1st August, despite reminders that the cut-off date is 31st July. Sponsorship is rising every year yet people still don't think they are doing enough. I read Diagio mentioned but don't you think they have tried to get involved with them? The club makes mistakes, name one that doesn't, but they are trying to improve things. Coventry's catchment area is massive compared to Flyers and they will always have that advantage but it doesn't mean Flyers can't compete. They are still learning at this level and they will keep learning and they will get there. One thing I can say is that Fife Flyers will always be here. Apologies for the rant Letting their prospects join their rivals, Continuing to ice, Scoon for the past 4 seasons. It was obvious from day one he isn’t cut out for this league. It’s so bad he has become a laughing stock with his own fans. Naming people who haven’t paid their season ticket money on fb. The embarrassment of their social media posts in general. The age old argument of players drinking before games. The attitude of people in their front office. The general match night experience run by that clown in the DJ box. It would be easier to have a conversation in a nightclub than it is when the music is on during breaks in play. Even Dundee and Edinburgh are streets ahead of the Flyers for game night experience. The quality of the press releases and the cringe worthy puns. There is a lot of positive changes over the past few seasons but there is still a long way to go before they catch up with other teams in terms of professionalism.
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Post by scoles1 on Aug 5, 2015 9:04:01 GMT
Don't apologise Allan, we want input from the club and as a fan base we probably feel this off season has been the most distant the fans have felt from the club.
We as fans look around the league and see things like pews to Edinburgh and the other young guy to dundee and wonder why? Now maybe the club never tried to get them maybe they did but we get frustrated to see that although there are huge improvements being made we still seem to handicap ourselves with certain things.
This forum would be a better place with some club input to even out and put to rest some of the topics on here.
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Post by allan1745 on Aug 5, 2015 9:27:42 GMT
Letting their prospects join their rivals, - I can't comment on this Continuing to ice, Scoon for the past 4 seasons. It was obvious from day one he isn’t cut out for this league. It’s so bad he has become a laughing stock with his own fans. - That is your opinion, as is your right, and the coaches obviously have another opinion, as is their right. However that doesn't make the club unprofessionalNaming people who haven’t paid their season ticket money on fb. - I can't comment on this The embarrassment of their social media posts in general. - Again - it is an opinion and one that you are entitled toThe age old argument of players drinking before games. - HeresayThe attitude of people in their front office. - Not Flyers' staff in the front officeThe general match night experience run by that clown in the DJ box. It would be easier to have a conversation in a nightclub than it is when the music is on during breaks in play. Even Dundee and Edinburgh are streets ahead of the Flyers for game night experience. - Again it is your opinion. I have had comments from sponsors complimenting the DJ and the match night entertainmentThe quality of the press releases and the cringe worthy puns. - Again it is your opinionThere is a lot of positive changes over the past few seasons but there is still a long way to go before they catch up with other teams in terms of professionalism. I respect your comment but why not bring them up with the club if you feel so strongly about this?
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