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Post by waterboy on Dec 9, 2018 15:43:35 GMT
That sums it up perfectly for me. Been bored watching hockey for the last few seasons and this one has just pushed me over the edge, I haven't been for the last few homes games as simply cant be bothered watching bland boring hockey (and paying through the nose for it). For me watching a club that has such history with local players through the decades to see what they have become a side with one fifer on the ice (for a few shifts at best) there is a real lack of identity that fans can attach themselves to. Imports come and go some are amazing but these days they only stay for a few season at most so the homegrown guys should be the straw that stirs the drink. We have penny pinched and invested nothing in that side of our team and the club are worse off for it. Cochrane Smith and Robertson can fill that gap but they never will while they are sitting on their butts watching imports skate about weekend after weekend, Their mates are playing down south in other leagues and enjoying themselves. Wont be long before they look to follow suit. Players want to play and at that age they need to be on the ice. Wake up guys. The rough & tumble, out and out fighting and hard hitting days of hockey are over. There is too much at stake with players health and welfare being at the forefront of many leagues awareness, as it should be. Yes.. the excitement factor may be down from years past as it isn’t the same physical type of hockey as fans appear to be dying to see on the daily, but it’s the new fast style and flair of the game that you should want to come out to watch and support. It’s happening in all the leagues in the world and is shown by nhl punishing fighting types consistently and teams across Europe and NA not even signing this type of player anymore. Football isn’t a sport of physicality and it’s known as the beautiful game, why does hockey have to be a game of kill or be killed or at the minimum be a game of hit or be weak in order to be enjoyable to fans here. Enjoy the game, and the product on the ice in this day and age, and get over the glory days of brutality and fighting on the ice on the regular, the game has moved on and maybe we should too. Within these new parameters that are very much apparent through the league, our team here in Fife are a dynamic bunch that can produce results for us in the table. So long as they are competing, they deserve support and if you don’t like the new league style, quit your bleating and support something else. This forum is repetitive and exhausted in its arguments, and i sincerely hope for some new discussions about the team in the future. A good few years ago I was at an OHL game that was an joy to watch fast skilful and very physical. Not one single fight and only a few penalties called. It was a terrific game of hockey. Best players in a flyers uniform Al Sims and Doug Smail, one here 30 years ago the other 25. Never saw either fight but they entertained miles more than most guys we have had in recent years. The hockey recently has been boring read my post again I never mention goon hockey fighting or players getting hurt to be entertained. You seem to be mistaking good hard hockey with nutters doing stupid stuff. The game is better off without the daft stuff but that doesn't mean it has to be this watered down version. Watch a Rugby game its a physical as ever but the high hits etc have been taken out the game. Why cant hockey still be physical?
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Post by waterboy on Dec 9, 2018 15:57:57 GMT
For reference this was 3 weeks ago .... but you know the game has changed!!!
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Post by superpatsy on Dec 9, 2018 16:15:31 GMT
Wake up guys. The rough & tumble, out and out fighting and hard hitting days of hockey are over. There is too much at stake with players health and welfare being at the forefront of many leagues awareness, as it should be. Yes.. the excitement factor may be down from years past as it isn’t the same physical type of hockey as fans appear to be dying to see on the daily, but it’s the new fast style and flair of the game that you should want to come out to watch and support. It’s happening in all the leagues in the world and is shown by nhl punishing fighting types consistently and teams across Europe and NA not even signing this type of player anymore. Football isn’t a sport of physicality and it’s known as the beautiful game, why does hockey have to be a game of kill or be killed or at the minimum be a game of hit or be weak in order to be enjoyable to fans here. Enjoy the game, and the product on the ice in this day and age, and get over the glory days of brutality and fighting on the ice on the regular, the game has moved on and maybe we should too. Within these new parameters that are very much apparent through the league, our team here in Fife are a dynamic bunch that can produce results for us in the table. So long as they are competing, they deserve support and if you don’t like the new league style, quit your bleating and support something else. This forum is repetitive and exhausted in its arguments, and i sincerely hope for some new discussions about the team in the future. A good few years ago I was at an OHL game that was an joy to watch fast skilful and very physical. Not one single fight and only a few penalties called. It was a terrific game of hockey. Best players in a flyers uniform Al Sims and Doug Smail, one here 30 years ago the other 25. Never saw either fight but they entertained miles more than most guys we have had in recent years. The hockey recently has been boring read my post again I never mention goon hockey fighting or players getting hurt to be entertained. You seem to be mistaking good hard hockey with nutters doing stupid stuff. The game is better off without the daft stuff but that doesn't mean it has to be this watered down version. Watch a Rugby game its a physical as ever but the high hits etc have been taken out the game. Why cant hockey still be physical? Regarding your comment about the physicality at the end, could it be a possibility that players don't want to get as physical due to the officiating here? I was at an NHL game and and ECHL game a couple of weeks ago and seen hits thrown that would get you a penalty over here. Seen it plenty of times this year when things start getting a bit rough, they always seem to throw a hand up for, a lot of the time, nothing. Every time someone throws a clean hit (not just Flyers players, opposition as well) the first thing I do is to spy a referee to see if the hand is up.
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Post by swarfiga on Dec 9, 2018 16:57:46 GMT
Agree that for a large part last nights game was on the boring side and very scrappy. However the third goal, scored by Buesa, was a thing of beauty and worth the admission fee. Fast accurate passing that you just knew was going to lead to something. If they can play like this why is it so seldom we see it during games? He was good all game but that shift he was absolutely outstanding, done everything perfectly
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Post by thebluewellies on Dec 9, 2018 19:00:30 GMT
Who remembers when a well executed hip check got the entire crowd to their feet in recognition. Every perfect hip check I've seen recently has been called as a penalty. An example of perfectly safe, aggressive entertaining hockey wrongly being taken out the game.
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Post by boschman76 on Dec 10, 2018 18:34:52 GMT
On this subject does anyone else think that since we came into the league the style and type of player needed to be successful in the league has changed just like football has changed over the past few years since the arrival of guardiola klopp and the guy at spurs and certain coaches are still playing a style that they have used all through there coaching career when it did bring them success but now is dull and boring to watch and they can't bring themselves to change because they still believe what they are doing is right is td that same type of coach to set in his ways and can't bring himself to change because he still believes what he is doing is right
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Post by bruinsfan on Dec 11, 2018 1:12:30 GMT
We could have the best coach in the world, Babcock , trotz, etc. it won’t do much a difference as the budgets in this league are not the same! Name a lower budget club other then Leicester city ,that has been in the top 4 in the premier league for example, in the last 10 years. It happens once in a blue moon. News flash we don’t have the the same budget as the others do! I repeat we don’t have the same budget that the big 3/4 do! Almost half way through the season and we sit in 4th place behind 3 big budget clubs. Everyone said we would be near the bottom because we don’t play Edinburgh and the rest of the scottish teams 8 times each like we have the in the past. Yet somehow we are 8 pts out of 1st with 34 games left to play.
Yes there are holes in our lineup! we need a couple changes. Are they going to happen? No as we don’t Have the budget to turn players over like the big clubs do. And yes maybe a little bit of loyalty on TD part as well. But looking at the comments on social media it would seem like we are in the basement of the league! Where are our false expectations that we are supposed to be title contenders. It’s not a salary cap league we just can’t compete salary wise with the big clubs it’s as simple as that!
Sadly the club doesn’t give a bleep about social media or promotional things. So much can be done, we can brain storm all we want on here but we know they are not reading this c*** on here otherwise they would have done something about it.
Ultimately hockey has changed like other sports, there are “eras” in different sports and the enforcer/entertainment era is over. The game has moved on and pure hockey is what the game is moving to, It’s all about style of play and producing wins and losses and supporting your club their players. If your looking for a fight or anything like that don’t hold your breath. That may cause crowds to drop all around the league, either fans will acknowledge it and change with the game or fan bases will twiddle and so will the league.
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Post by bobdee on Dec 11, 2018 16:50:55 GMT
Agree with most you say, but the budget does not determine the style of play, the coach does. Whether we have a small budget or not we have had some very good players over the last two seasons. The style of dump and chase is still prevalent That is not the budget's fault. We are still exceeding some peoples expectations and that may be down to the players, nothing else.
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Post by ronniemac on Dec 12, 2018 0:27:43 GMT
If the Fife budget is much smaller than the big 3 how is Crowder here and the likes of Rutherford at Belfast (ex Edinburgh Capitals). A couple of changes at Flyers and they would be challenging even more, as stated on here put Moyer and Young in the squad and we would see an improvement without question. It's time people realised that Fife are themselves worthy of being called a big 3 club but as yet in the EIHL have not quite lived up to it.
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Post by zamboni on Dec 12, 2018 20:46:50 GMT
Agree with most you say, but the budget does not determine the style of play, the coach does. Whether we have a small budget or not we have had some very good players over the last two seasons. The style of dump and chase is still prevalent That is not the budget's fault. We are still exceeding some peoples expectations and that may be down to the players, nothing else. Don't agree Coaches have done a good job brought success last season and if it hadn't been for injuries to our star imports we were a second placed team At POW and Gardiner Turning point this season is loss of Chase Schaber that has had a big effect on Team mentally However were still fourth you win nothing mid December
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Post by ronniemac on Dec 13, 2018 0:07:34 GMT
I can't agree with you saying that Chase being out was a turning point as there was so much of the season still to play, the point is TD knew very quickly that his injury could more than likely rule him out for the season and does what always happens at Fife he picks up a player gassed from another EIHL team. I think Basara has done well since he came the problem at Flyers is that a couple of the other forwards play when they feel like it plus the D scenario which has been well publicised on this forum, any other coach would have sorted that problem out but we still hear the same sorry story on every interview where those players have not turned up, he needs to change the record in more ways than one.
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Post by toomanymen on Dec 13, 2018 10:16:29 GMT
Without phisical play hits and fights...you basically have groups of men skating up and down the rink with a shot on goal now and again. Ice hockey in Fife was built on watching two teams trying to be tougher as well as more skillful than the other...this new snowflake style of hockey is not going down well with the crowds..and not just Fife. That sums it up perfectly for me. Been bored watching hockey for the last few seasons and this one has just pushed me over the edge, I haven't been for the last few homes games as simply cant be bothered watching bland boring hockey (and paying through the nose for it). For me watching a club that has such history with local players through the decades to see what they have become a side with one fifer on the ice (for a few shifts at best) there is a real lack of identity that fans can attach themselves to. Imports come and go some are amazing but these days they only stay for a few season at most so the homegrown guys should be the straw that stirs the drink. We have penny pinched and invested nothing in that side of our team and the club are worse off for it. Cochrane Smith and Robertson can fill that gap but they never will while they are sitting on their butts watching imports skate about weekend after weekend, Their mates are playing down south in other leagues and enjoying themselves. Wont be long before they look to follow suit. Players want to play and at that age they need to be on the ice. 100% agree, they have lost their "Fife" identity. Sitting the local lads on the bench without giving them a chance must be soul destroying for them, confidence sapping as well. Very few KIHC kids(and families) come to watch the Flyers as they don't aspire to play for Flyers anymore, knowing they have virtually no chance of making it with the import levels. You would be surprised how many fans would come back if they new local boys were playing and developing into top brits. Without having the physicality in the Elite league, its definitely effecting the attendances as its not a high enough skill level to be entertained by. Its just much faster nowadays. Don't need to mention the marketing side of things, everyone knows about that.
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Post by finchy on Dec 13, 2018 13:35:32 GMT
It’s true it’s not just a Flyers thing but i never believed I’d ever find hockey so boring.
Seeing Smith, Robertson and Cochrane regularly would make a huge difference to me. I just don’t understand it. Buesa is the shining example of what ice time can do- great wee player.
I like Bari McKenzie too and noticed that he had one bad shift on Saturday and was benched the rest of the game. That just doesn’t happen with the imports.
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Post by boschman76 on Dec 13, 2018 15:31:10 GMT
Imo since we have come into the league we have went with the attitude that the imports earn the big money so let's make sure we get our money's worth and use them at every single opportunity even if it means burn out and at the expense of the British players
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Post by amazepux on Dec 13, 2018 18:17:34 GMT
Surely its about balance though. The time to bring on the local young guys is if we are about 6 up with 10minutes left. The game has to be won before giving them ice-time. Its a fact throughout the league. Some other teams are often forced into playing better quality brits due to deliberately having shorter benches. The league is far more competitive than in years past. With regards quality brits we are comparing the likes of Mackenzie and Buesa with OConnor and Dowd at Steelers or Lachowitz Farmer and Betteridge at Panthers or Duggan Myers Moore at Devils etc etc Moore at Devils often doesnt get a great amount of ice time. Thats why we have to rely on imports performing well. The cost of getting high quality brits is unaffordable even if they wanted to move north. This is exactly why we have got Mackenzie abd Buesa from Clan. However one to try and get next year would be Cownie at Stars. In an ideal scenario we would be able to blood the local lads more often but the games are too tight for that to be a reality.
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