finchy
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Post by finchy on Jan 22, 2013 11:25:27 GMT
And what about the teams in-between us? Dundee and Braehead are siting in better positions than us. There's also the small matter of us actually winning these games. Looking at the fixtures, it's all looking pretty rosey for the Stars in my opinion. Perhaps that wee extra push they've made in getting 11 imports in is going to pay massive dividends for a team who average about 7-800 home fans a game.
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Post by Ironjaw on Jan 22, 2013 12:03:23 GMT
No one can say there's no been improvements but I just worry come next year do haines, the Pittons, Caister and Keller who are all probably good enough to play for any team in the league, are they going to want to come back to a team that are proven to go understrength, play their pals when a couple aren't good enough, and have very little commercial ambitions like other teams in the league. For me the worry is if they don't change their ways is it going to be a clean start with imports every year, except 1 or 2.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Jan 22, 2013 12:12:05 GMT
it's defo not good for building a squad in the is league, would love to keep all our imports for next year they are brilliant but it's not gonna happen is it
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ronniemac
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Post by ronniemac on Jan 22, 2013 12:45:15 GMT
Harlan, You have to look at both sides of the coin, if Flyers are poor in your fixtures highlighted they could be BOTTOM of the league. The owner has no ambition or he would not have started the season with 9 imports, the coach needs to be stronger and demand a level playing field because although the local lads are improving they are not as good as the other teams who had a head start on Flyers. If you look at the results the Flyers have had without doubt if the 2 early slots had been filled with Bobby and another quality import we would NOT be discussing how close the team MAY get to a play off spot, even if they qualify they need the 10 imports to be healthy, hopefully there will be 11 and they can finish on a good note and MAYBE convince some if not all to stay THEN you can say you are building because having imports coming through a revolving door isn't.
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Post by flyer007 on Jan 22, 2013 12:50:57 GMT
Can I ask honestly why you want to keep all of our existing imports do we not want to improve year on year. The truth is I don't see the point in investing in another guy this season I would rather we saw how we got on with 10 so we can establish what number is needed to start next season with at this level. As Harlan said if we make the playoffs all our objectives for the season will be complete next season is when I would pressure us to get to mid table and win the conference.
I keep banging on about it but you need to recruit a team not individuals. For instance looking at next season I would really like us to be more physical I think a fast skating, high intensity physical team will dominate the Gardiner conference next year as Dundee, Braehead and Edinburgh have no physicality and you could bully them if you recruit properly.
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Post by jonathan on Jan 22, 2013 12:53:58 GMT
Can I ask honestly why you want to keep all of our existing imports do we not want to improve year on year. The truth is I don't see the point in investing in another guy this season I would rather we saw how we got on with 10 so we can establish what number is needed to start next season with at this level. As Harlan said if we make the playoffs all our objectives for the season will be complete next season is when I would pressure us to get to mid table and win the conference. I keep banging on about it but you need to recruit a team not individuals. For instance looking at next season I would really like us to be more physical I think a fast skating, high intensity physical team will dominate the Gardiner conference next year as Dundee, Braehead and Edinburgh have no physicality and you could bully them if you recruit properly. But we don't have 10, because every week there is an injury or a suspension.
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Post by harlan on Jan 22, 2013 12:55:15 GMT
Ronniemac I am more an optimist than a pessimist though
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Post by harlan on Jan 22, 2013 12:58:13 GMT
But we don't have 10, because every week there is an injury or a suspension. And that is probably why we won't go to 11 as well. Would you be willing to spend money on an extra import when you haven't even seen what the product is like with what you currently have. I'm not sure I would and its not even my money
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Post by coloradoflyer on Jan 22, 2013 12:58:38 GMT
so surly we need 11 imports and another 1 or 2 quality brits to reduce the injuries then
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Post by flyer007 on Jan 22, 2013 13:03:36 GMT
Colorado at the end of the day you have a budget we have 2 quality Brits on our roster in Horne and Dolan and 10 imports 3 are top class, 4 are high calibre, Zach was unknown but has been a revelation and is definitely one for the future, and then we have our coaches.
Ill be honest Bobby is not my kind of player so I would replace him next season, replace our coaches with new imports and give Todd or Danny the bench is the way forward for this club.
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ronniemac
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Post by ronniemac on Jan 22, 2013 13:14:44 GMT
Harlan, You may be a pessimist but with the percentages Flyers have had this year DO NOT be a betting man. lol
007, Personally i would not keep all the roster but i would keep all the new guys this year, make Danny coach and bring in a tough D man and 2 power forwards with 1 of them a Colt King type of player then you would have a team to challenge for honours.
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Post by nobabody on Jan 22, 2013 13:36:23 GMT
i suspect we aint gonna see 10 imports on the ice unless we have at least 11 on the books. nothing wrong saying we are happy with what we have, afterall would you like to be on a team that your coach came out and said some guys on this team aren't good enough? really hope we can get someone in tho as it could be the difference between fighting for 8th and fighting for the conference/6th oops, sorry maybe this is in wrong thread or has this thread drifted ?
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Post by Dirkster23 on Jan 22, 2013 13:43:21 GMT
Can I ask honestly why you want to keep all of our existing imports do we not want to improve year on year. The truth is I don't see the point in investing in another guy this season I would rather we saw how we got on with 10 so we can establish what number is needed to start next season with at this level. As Harlan said if we make the playoffs all our objectives for the season will be complete next season is when I would pressure us to get to mid table and win the conference. I keep banging on about it but you need to recruit a team not individuals. For instance looking at next season I would really like us to be more physical I think a fast skating, high intensity physical team will dominate the Gardiner conference next year as Dundee, Braehead and Edinburgh have no physicality and you could bully them if you recruit properly. Your a hard guy to please! Our top scoring import and Brit aren't good enough for you? The problem with your plan is we don't know what the other teams are going to look like next season. Ten imports might have been good enough this season, but what if the other teams improve over the summer? Same with saying they've no physicality, will their team make up be the same next season?
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Post by coloradoflyer on Jan 22, 2013 14:34:55 GMT
we will just have to wait and see who stays and who other teams get in , and then take it from there
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kdd
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Post by kdd on Jan 22, 2013 14:49:40 GMT
Personally i would not keep all the roster but i would keep all the new guys this year, make Danny coach and bring in a tough D man and 2 power forwards with 1 of them a Colt King type of player then you would have a team to challenge for honours. The only "honour" the Flyers should be realistically recruiting for is our conference - to try and recruit as the big 3 would is never going to happen due to the size of our fanbase. That's not to say that with the right combination of players, hard work and luck we couldn't do some damage in the challenge cup or play-offs, but it's not something we should expect either - its a bonus if it happens - nothing else. If we can start to get the KIHC conveyor belt going again and get our young players playing top-level hockey as soon as possible there is no reason why we can't be a real force in our conference with the quality of import we have this year - it just might take years to get there. That does't phase me as I've been happy enough with the majority of what i've seen at the rink this year.
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