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Post by nobabody on Jan 23, 2013 15:16:54 GMT
One Brit that we spoke to about coming here is getting around £1500 a week from his current arena team apparently. A good authority that I have no reason to doubt his word as he has proved to be right in the past. How can Flyers even begin to think about competing with that. If a team is silly enough to be throwing that kind of money at you, you would be stupid to say no to it that figure seems insane, especially for a minority sport. even if that was taking into consideration housing/car/expenses thats a lot of money. any chance theres a bit of chinese whispers going on there?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 15:28:43 GMT
Nobaday, dont bring common sense into it,
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Post by nobabody on Jan 23, 2013 16:05:12 GMT
Nobaday, dont bring common sense into it, sorry, ma bad
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Post by flyer007 on Jan 23, 2013 16:33:13 GMT
I agree with that Davie I don't want to know what individual players earn but I would like to see a published version of the accounts made availiable to the supporters club at the very least. Fans will have ideas as to where greater income can be generated and perhaps where cuts can be made. If we want to be successful we have to be the most economical club in the country.
I also don't get all this green light nonsense. When the season ends the first thing we should do is look at our average attendances, expenditure from last year, sponsorship from last year etc and produce a budget. If Todd is continuing with the coaching position give him the wage budget per week and say go and use that money in whatever way you choose. That way you give Todd the power of deciding how many imports to go for from the start. If you do things right the budget shouldn't be far off the bottom line come the end of next season.
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Post by daviejojo on Jan 23, 2013 16:39:47 GMT
I agree Flyer007. It also makes Todd and Danny accountable to the results too, which gives the directors more power if you like to say, "well we gave you the budget" but the results haven't been good enough.
Too many people in the "inner circle", the wrong people in a lot of jobs, and the folks who really want to help, volunteers and sponsors etc, often find it impossible to get a foot in the door as it's "not the Fife way".
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Post by beanster on Jan 23, 2013 16:41:11 GMT
I agree with that Davie I don't want to know what individual players earn but I would like to see a published version of the accounts made availiable to the supporters club at the very least. Fans will have ideas as to where greater income can be generated and perhaps where cuts can be made. If we want to be successful we have to be the most economical club in the country. I also don't get all this green light nonsense. When the season ends the first thing we should do is look at our average attendances, expenditure from last year, sponsorship from last year etc and produce a budget. If Todd is continuing with the coaching position give him the wage budget per week and say go and use that money in whatever way you choose. That way you give Todd the power of deciding how many imports to go for from the start. If you do things right the budget shouldn't be far off the bottom line come the end of next season. Is that not a general managers job, rather than the teams coach ? - Not being picky but the coaches have enough of a job coaching without managing as well.
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Post by joestoyanovich on Jan 23, 2013 16:42:15 GMT
Eh none of the above is going to happen !
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Post by daviejojo on Jan 23, 2013 16:45:39 GMT
I agree with that Davie I don't want to know what individual players earn but I would like to see a published version of the accounts made availiable to the supporters club at the very least. Fans will have ideas as to where greater income can be generated and perhaps where cuts can be made. If we want to be successful we have to be the most economical club in the country. I also don't get all this green light nonsense. When the season ends the first thing we should do is look at our average attendances, expenditure from last year, sponsorship from last year etc and produce a budget. If Todd is continuing with the coaching position give him the wage budget per week and say go and use that money in whatever way you choose. That way you give Todd the power of deciding how many imports to go for from the start. If you do things right the budget shouldn't be far off the bottom line come the end of next season. Is that not a general managers job, rather than the teams coach ? - Not being picky but the coaches have enough of a job coaching without managing as well. I would say it's the coaches job to spend the budget isn't it. So Directors say to Todd, you have £10K a week say, whatever it is, and him and Danny can go and spend it accordingly
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Post by flyer007 on Jan 23, 2013 17:35:40 GMT
Obviously it is not going to happen under our current ownership Joe it hasn't been that way and it won't change but that is what should happen. It would give the transparency that the fans want and in terms of the playing side it would give Todd the power he obviously wants. Did you not here him he referred to the flyers as his club. Give him the budget and it really is his club.
I agree it is the GMs role which is why I would like to see us create that role and give it to Dutes. He seems the perfect man for the job.
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Post by daviejojo on Jan 23, 2013 18:47:58 GMT
Ideally, the GM role is perfect for Todd. He can combine this with the Fire Service, and it wouldn't impact his life nearly as much as training and playing.
Perfect role for the guy.
Gives continuity too, and for me, it would allow Danny to take over as full time coach, with a bench coach working with him. Ideally....Spud....come home, we'd be a different team with him on the bench.
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Post by flyer007 on Jan 23, 2013 18:51:55 GMT
Completely agree Davie if I was in charge that would be the ideal structure.
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Post by daviejojo on Jan 23, 2013 18:53:18 GMT
Great Minds eh ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 19:18:36 GMT
Who would want the coachs job ?, when the owners pick the team.. Not a proper coach, thats for sure
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Post by joestoyanovich on Jan 23, 2013 19:24:39 GMT
Obviously it is not going to happen under our current ownership Joe it hasn't been that way and it won't change but that is what should happen. It would give the transparency that the fans want and in terms of the playing side it would give Todd the power he obviously wants. Did you not here him he referred to the flyers as his club. Give him the budget and it really is his club. I agree it is the GMs role which is why I would like to see us create that role and give it to Dutes. He seems the perfect man for the job. Why would the owners want to release all the financial details of the club, what other team in any sport does this ? And why would they want to pass control of the clubs finances to the coach ? Remember as well that us fans on this forum represent a tiny minority of the 1500 or so that attend Flyers games. Most of the posts on the forum come from a handful of us. And I'll bet that most care not a jot about the transparency of the club
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Post by flyer007 on Jan 23, 2013 21:10:21 GMT
Actually most professional clubs finances are available as they are companies and therefore, there accounts are accessible.
You are not passing control of the clubs finances to the coach you are working exactly as they do in football when you have a director, (Damien Comolli for example) and in the major leagues in the States. You are giving the coach/GM a total salary budget and allowing them to do what they want with it regarding recruitment. . For instance if our season wage budget is 100000. You are giving that 100000 to the GM/Coach to recruit a team as they see fit. I don't see why the owners need to OK every deal you have to delegate and Todd and Danny already do all the recruitment. Instead of the owners putting contracts together etc that is the role of the GM. Every other financial element of the business is taken care of by the off ice team (owners, commercial team etc).
It is simply division of labour.
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