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Post by coloradoflyer on Feb 5, 2013 10:57:10 GMT
hope the programme isa aw right finchy lol,
harlan totally agree the league should be 9 imports and develop brit talent
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spudeeelad
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Post by spudeeelad on Feb 5, 2013 11:08:35 GMT
Given that you don't have the budget of Braehead, revenue needs to come in (you can debate just how much the club makes all you want, but the fact is nobody on here knows for sure) and be secure before you can put things in place.
For example, with the new sponsorship deal, next season you're already guaranteed X amount from sponsorship money, so if you build on that, then little things like giving someone £100 to properly maintain and update the website regularly and having a proper spokesman/PR man will follow.
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Post by jonathan on Feb 5, 2013 12:19:22 GMT
Given that you don't have the budget of Braehead, revenue needs to come in (you can debate just how much the club makes all you want, but the fact is nobody on here knows for sure) and be secure before you can put things in place. For example, with the new sponsorship deal, next season you're already guaranteed X amount from sponsorship money, so if you build on that, then little things like giving someone £100 to properly maintain and update the website regularly and having a proper spokesman/PR man will follow. How do you know that we don't have the same budget as Braehead?
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Post by neebur on Feb 5, 2013 13:12:44 GMT
Could someone print out the above posts from Finchy & Harlan (the ones on P2 of this thread!) and use them as a basic toolkit for moving forward? They pretty much sum everything up re ambition, ethos and PR.
The club IS moving forward, but the thing maybe alot of folk - and certainly a few on here - don't fully appreciate is just how much of its infrastructure fell apart during those 6 years playing grassroots. It simply wasn't needed, and it also had to be created virtually overnight on day one of last season. So, to get from there to where we are IS big step forward. Still got a bit to go yet though!
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Post by neebur on Feb 5, 2013 13:16:34 GMT
Diageo? Major player in Fife but pretty sure all budgets controlled outwith the region. Chances of them sponsoring the team? Zero. Ditto all the big guns like Raytheon etc - local budgets might stretch to a match sponsorship at the very most, but the club has to demonstrate what if offers in return. Businesses have to see a return in terms of trade, leads, potential clients as well as entertaining their guests on a match night. Unless an MD is a huge hockey fan they simply won't write a cheque and enjoy a social night at the rink ... not any more.
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ronniemac
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Post by ronniemac on Feb 5, 2013 13:18:05 GMT
Think you will find that the penny dropped 1 year before Flyers went into the EIHL when Stars flew the coop.
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Post by ojc123 on Feb 5, 2013 14:29:25 GMT
Thanks for asking, Allan.
It seems to me that "Success breeds success." is the clue here. Compared to last season then this season has been a success. A competitive team will be able to entice a wider range of players and sponsors. The youngsters will aspire to be Flyers and will come through the ranks. For what it's worth, I think Flyers need both short and long term strategies.
To get more affluent sponsors the match night experience needs to be upgraded. I love the Ice Rink Experience with all its idosyncrasies but I can see how that's not a big draw for the corporate entertainer. The costs may be prohibitive, I don't know.
The PA system needs to be fixed because it simply doesn't work properly. DJ-ing for this purpose needs a professional approach. That needs to be looked at.
The 'moaners' on this forum mainly moan about lack of communication. It's improved a lot this year. There's lots of little non-news items which keep the interest and proper news is announced when it can be. I'm thinking the injury situation could still be communicated much more effectively.
There's nothing about the short or long term strategy coming out. I think that the Flyers' Fans want to know what the strategy is. We want to know where we're going.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Feb 5, 2013 14:33:04 GMT
mind you why would you want to come and say so and so has a broken ankle will be out for x amount of weeks first time back whats gonna happen he's ripping it up what are the opposition gonna do go right for his ankle
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Post by daviejojo on Feb 5, 2013 14:38:01 GMT
mind you why would you want to come and say so and so has a broken ankle will be out for x amount of weeks first time back whats gonna happen he's ripping it up what are the opposition gonna do go right for his ankle There is some truth in that, although, most of the players are friends, they are friends across teams, so tbh, an injured player, it's probably widely known anyway what's wrong with them. I'm not too bothered about knowing the inner details, just that "Casey is out, we're expecting him out for 6 weeks". The problem with no comms (and again, I hasten to add, this has improved), but when things aren't said, it's left to rumour, then threads start, and something that is almost a non event, becomes a huge issue. Someone stated earlier, I can't remember who now, that Tom Muir clearly felt uneasy at the Fans Forum, and public speaking isn't his thing. There is no shame in that, but if that's the case, and your not a Ward, Simms or Ragan, and you don't like talking, then you need to empower someone else to do it for you. Too often you see things from Todd etc saying, that's not for me to say, you'll need to ask the directors, and yet, nothing is ever forthcoming. I don't see this as an infrastructure change, I don't see it as any cost attached, they have the staff there, but they can only tell us what they themselves are told, and that is where the break is. Tom Muir needs to learn to trust his staff and allow them to do what they know, in their experience, is best.
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kdd
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Post by kdd on Feb 5, 2013 15:10:28 GMT
I don't suppose doing up the car park is part of the long term strategy is it? First impressions count and all that and it must be quite off putting for newbies to have to navigate the puddles and potholes in the dark before you even make it in the building.
Now I know that the car park is not the direct responsibility of Fife Flyers Ltd but its in their interests to have the best facilities possible for their paying customers and there is a level of shared ownership between the 2 businesses anyway.
I'm willing to accept that the cost of tarmac'ing it would be prohibitive but surely the big mounds of earth round the back could be cleared to create some more spaces, some of the uneven surfaces could be scraped by a JCB and a new top layer of chips/gravel could be put down across the whole thing. They could also get some of those lights attached to a generator they use for roadworks to help light the back of the car park on match nights, cause it really is beyond a joke to be as bad as it is in 2013...
I'll bet it's not a priority, but it would be nice to know what the longer term plans are for the facilities as well as the development of the team and business.
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Post by coloradoflyer on Feb 5, 2013 15:23:32 GMT
wonder if the mounds are to fill in the holes during the summer
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Post by daviejojo on Feb 5, 2013 15:31:05 GMT
Its difficult trying to put the line between club and rink, afterall, the directors are pretty much across both.
It's an easy answer for the club sometimes to say "that's the rink", and vice versa.
The car park certainly needs looked at, nothing worse than getting filthy on the way in and out of the place, and when it's wet, it's unreal.
Here's hoping this is part of the summer plans of improvement (along with boards that ain't made of concrete ;-) )
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Post by toploader on Feb 5, 2013 15:44:27 GMT
Short term, My view is that as a club mr Muir @ mr wishart have done a great job. Taking us into the elite league, new dressing room, appointing Alan & the media personel.
Long term I'm not so sure, there really seems to be a reluctance to hold anyone accountable for on ice matters. Just my opinion but the first mistake was hiring the current coaching team as players. when you start a season with 2 imports less than most of your opposition then you had better make sure that ALL of the imports you do get can produce & to be honest neither of them have & has put an enormous amount of pressure on 1 line to produce. The coaching position in this club is a job for as long as you want it so to speak, As stated earlier throughout all the leagues flyers have played in the last 20 years they have always went with less imports than everyone else, the only difference was there were very few passengers back then compared to now. My view is that if Todd & Danny want to return next season as player coaches then that will be there decision. Either as coaches yes but as players no. Don't take this as me Todd & Danny bashing, it's just my view on where this club needs to look to take the club forward..
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Post by Dirty Lyle on Feb 5, 2013 17:28:59 GMT
Hmmmmm call me a cynic, but is this just a butter up before the news that no new imports are coming.
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Post by Dirkster23 on Feb 5, 2013 20:28:51 GMT
Hmmmmm call me a cynic, but is this just a butter up before the news that no new imports are coming. Someone else said the exact same thing to me today!
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